my 1881 brickwall

[aggiebagwash]

I am trying to find Catherine Toomey born 18th December 1879 in Liverpool (family folk law says she may have been born at sea) and her father Richard Toomey, a shoemaker born 1845 in Ireland and I've hit a brickwall.  The name can be spelt so many ways i.e Tuny, Tooney, Toonay, Tunney etc that I think I could be missing them somehow.

I can't find either of them on the 1881 census and Richard on the 1871 census although I've found him with his family on the 1851 and 61 census in Liverpool and he's in the Workhouse on the 1901 and 1911 in Manchester. He says he is a Widower but I can't find a marriage for him either so I don't know his wife's name.

I suspect that they are both in Manchester in 1891 but not together. Richard is lodging in Hanover Street and I found a Kate  Toomey  age 13 lodging with a family in George Leigh Street.

Can anyone find either of them on the 1881 census or unravel my confusion.

Margaret

[Mabel Bagshawe]

Vaguely possible? As transcribed by Ancestry. address 8 Bennett St [St Anne's ward]

Richard Looney    34 - b Ireland, slipper maker
Kate Looney    34 - b Ireland housewife
Robert Looney    8 b St Josephs, Manchester
Katherine Looney    3 - b St Martins, Liverpool

RG11, 3630, 101, 59

[Mabel Bagshawe]

Catherine Toomey
Q2 1885 Prestwich Vol 8D p288
Age at Death:    40

[aggiebagwash]

I think you could have found the right family because Richard's father was called Robert and so is his son. Looney and Toomey sound similar as well especially if Richard had a strong Irish accent.

I'll check the death record but it does seem to fit in with what I know so far.

Many thanks.

[heatherjulie]

Catherine Toomey buried 23 June 1885 in Philips Park Cemetery Grave I Roman Catholic 609

[amondg]

Using new GRO website
Robert Tooney registered 1873 M Quarter Manchester Vol 08D page 165 mother maiden name Cavanagh

Catherine Tumy registered 1878 M Quarter Liverpool Vol 08B page 22 mothers maiden name Kavanagh

ADDED Could Robert have been a twin
same page, same mothers maiden name, Joanna

[heatherjulie]

Robert and Joanna both have the same birth reference number so they would be twins.
Heather

[amondg]

1891 census Robert Tumy age 18 is a boarder with Bridget Murdock and family at 30 Pott Street, Manchester.

[amondg]

Did Catherine/Kate the daughter born 1878 marry a man named Hughes?
Military WWI
Robert Toomey enlisted Royal Engineers 2 March 1916 he was called up 14 May 1917, served in France, became ill and unfit for service, discharged 9 January 1918.
When he enlisted his address was 18 Flower Street, Manchester.
His nearest relative was a sister Kate Hughes of 18 Flower Street, Manchester.
His number was 284976.
described as being 5'7" tall, fresh face, blue gray eyes, brown hair.