my 1881 brickwall

[heatherjulie]

Contact the Reg Office and ask them if they can check who Catherine married in 1867

[aggiebagwash]

That's a possible I'll check it out now.

Thank you so much.

I'll email the Register Office now I hadn't thought of that.

Losing the plot now.  In fact I'm losing the will to live with this family. LOL I've got 13 different ways to spell the name.

Thanks once again I really appreciate everyone's help.

Margaret

[aggiebagwash]

Heather I emailed the Register Office 10 days ago but they've not replied so I ordered the marriage certificate for Catherine Cavanagh to Richard Hunstan 3rd quarter 1867 from the GRO but gave the name Richard Toomey and they said it was the wrong one so it must be Hunstan. I'm now back to square one and I have absolutely no idea where to look next for their marriage I've exhausted every website I know.

On the 1861 census ref: RG 9/2695 in the same house as the Toomey family are a Richard and Catherine with a baby John. I can't read their surname so I can't cross reference the birth of baby John. I was wondering if you could decipher it? The first letter is impossible to read. At one point I thought it could be Cavanagh but realise the second and third letters could be oo and the name appears to end in gh. Clutching at straws I know but there's a small chance that she married Richard if her husband died.

Tearing my hair out now.   

Margaret

[Mabel Bagshawe]

I can see why you'd think they were Cavanaghs - it does look to end in "..nagh"  plus Richard is a shoemaker and Catherine a shoebinder. Only problem is he's b c1831 and she c1835

[aggiebagwash]

I was thinking that if Richard ? agh had died Catherine could possibly have married Richard Toomey. That's why I need to work out the surname.  I know she's 10 years older than Richard Toomey but her age could also be wrong on the 1881 census and her death record.

Margaret

[amondg]

I was trying to narrow down the marriage date. Using the 1871 census
The sister Julia Kavanagh father Patrick married John George Hughes father George at St Anne's Liverpool (RC) on 12 March 1872.
Julia of Falkner Street.
Witness are Randal Croft of Falkner Street  (brother in law married Winifred 21 April 1870 St Anne)
Catherine Kavanagh of Park House, Swiss Road, Fairfield

Fairfield is in West Derby a suburb of Liverpool.
Then as of 12 March 1872 Catherine is still a Kavanagh

Just in case
Winifred  Kavanagh father Patrick married Randall Croft father Jacob at St Anne's (RC) Liverpool 21 April 1870 both living on Falkner Street
witness Julia Kavanagh of Delphi Hotel and Jacob Brown? of Falkner Street.

So the street address in 1871 is Falkner Street.
Is Jacob Brown a relative of Honor Kavanagh nee Brown who married Patrick Kavanagh

Updated.!!!!!
HOWEVER 1881 census, Tiler Street, Toxeth Park.
Catherine Kavanagh 28 unmarried 28 born Wicklow Ireland
Julia Hughes, sister age 26 born Wicklow Ireland.

So do we have 2 Kavanagh families with daughters Catherine.

[heatherjulie]

 
Catherine Toomey and Richard Cooney in 1859 Liverpool Reg or Registrar attended.
St Joseph's RC Church

[amondg]

heatherjulie

I have updated re 1881 census, I think we may have two families 

[aggiebagwash]

Thanks Heather but I think that marriage is too early because I've found Richard's Baptism in 1845 so that would mean he was 14 in 1859 and I've got him as single on the 1861 census.

I've spent all morning going over the data I have and also looking for Richard and Catherine on the 1871 census either together or separate and I don't think they are on it. I've now found 18 different ways to spell Toomey so it takes ages looking for them (I'm not leaving any stone unturned).

I think I'm going to have to accept that I will never find them on the census or their marriage. It's bizarre that there is no record of their marriage anywhere not even a hint, I've even transposed their surnames just in case someone made a mistake in translation. I've used just their first names and opened the dates from 1872 +- 10 years and there's no records whatsoever.

Maybe he went back to Ireland and married there.

Margaret