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David Jones and "mary" Birmingham?
« on: Saturday 29 April 17 13:51 BST (UK) »
Hello.. Im trying to find the parents, of a Samuel Jones b1806 Birmingham...


His birth cert has parents David Jones and "Mary"

but I cant find out further
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Re: David Jones and "mary" Birmingham?
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 29 April 17 13:54 BST (UK) »
actually I think I may have just found david and mary in birmingham in the 1841 census.. w david as a locksmith?... but Im not sure its him :(
Smith, Tolley, Griffiths,
Monaghan, Richards, Clark, Clarke,
Brazier, Filben, Fibben,Filbin
Sherdon, Churden,Sheldon
Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, Bilston, Kent, London, Middlesex

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Re: David Jones and "mary" Birmingham?
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 29 April 17 13:59 BST (UK) »
I cant find samuels marriage either, he was married to a "Mary Ann"...

I can see Samuel is a brass founder in 1841.. and a gun worker in 1861,,,

but I cant see him in 51...

and the only ones after that I can only see a matching name as a retired jeweller?

(I dont like this family line!! waaaa HELPPP!! lol)
Smith, Tolley, Griffiths,
Monaghan, Richards, Clark, Clarke,
Brazier, Filben, Fibben,Filbin
Sherdon, Churden,Sheldon
Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, Bilston, Kent, London, Middlesex

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Re: David Jones and "mary" Birmingham?
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 29 April 17 14:08 BST (UK) »
Here's an explanation of "steel toy maker", in case you haven't come across it before.

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In the 18th and 19th centuries the manufacture of “toys” was a major industry in Birmingham. But these “toys” had nothing to do with children’s games. The term “Birmingham toys” refers to a multitude of small, decorative personal accessories. Their production provided work for thousands, gained major export markets and led to the development of manufacturing techniques which could be applied in other fields. Birmingham’s first directory, Sketchley’s Directory of 1767, lists 100 firms in the “toy” and related trades and describes the industry as follows:
 
.….for the information of Strangers we shall here observe, that these Articles are divided into several Branches, as the Gold and Silver Toy Makers, who make Trinkets, Seals, Tweezer and Tooth Pick cases, Smelling Bottles, Snuff Boxes, and Filigree Work, such as Toilets, Tea Chests, Inkstands, etc. etc. The Tortoise Toy maker, makes a beautiful variety of the above and other Articles; as does also the Steel, who makes Cork Screws, Buckles, Draw and other Boxes, Snuffers, Watch Chains, Stay Hooks, Sugar Knippers, etc., and almost all these are likewise made in various Metals, and for Cheapness, Beauty and Elegance no Place in the world can vie with them.

I don't think it's implausible that a locksmith might turn his hand to making steel "toys".

I don't need to tell you of the problems researching a name as common as Jones, but I would say David is one of the less common forenames to be found in Victorian Birmingham.  With Jones, his origins could be Welsh.

I take it that it's Samuel's baptism that you have found?
You say you have his marriage certificate, but can't find his marriage - can you clarify that, please.

ETA I'm confused now - I'm sure your opening post said
"marriage cert has his father David a steel toy maker". 

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Re: David Jones and "mary" Birmingham?
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 29 April 17 14:41 BST (UK) »
Hmmm sorry...I'm getting myself a lil mixed up...I'll need re check the details :-( (as I'm checking replies via phone right now so saying it by memory...)

And sadly, yes, i know how hard a Jones search could get...As I'm a 'Smith' lol


Smith, Tolley, Griffiths,
Monaghan, Richards, Clark, Clarke,
Brazier, Filben, Fibben,Filbin
Sherdon, Churden,Sheldon
Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, Bilston, Kent, London, Middlesex

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Re: David Jones and "mary" Birmingham?
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 29 April 17 15:25 BST (UK) »
Sorry.. Id stuffed the details up up there..

so.. the right stuff lol

Im after David and "mary" Jones.. the parents of Samuel Jones who was born 1806 in Birmingham...

According to Samuels daughters.. marriage cert samuel was a brass founder.. and married to a Mery Ann..

Ive fpound samuel and mary ann in 1841 and 1861 census (but I cant find the marriage of samuel to Mary Ann).. oddly I cant find a Sameul and Mary Ann in 1851... and the only censusses I see after.. 61... Im dubious of the details

Samuels Birth... has his parents as David Jones and a "Mary".. and Im after there marriage and any other details I can to take this line further back

Sorry for messing up earlier :(
Smith, Tolley, Griffiths,
Monaghan, Richards, Clark, Clarke,
Brazier, Filben, Fibben,Filbin
Sherdon, Churden,Sheldon
Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, Bilston, Kent, London, Middlesex

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Re: David Jones and "mary" Birmingham?
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 29 April 17 15:27 BST (UK) »
Possible Christening for your Samuel Jones on 3rd September 1806 Father David Jones, Mother Mary at St Phillips Church, Birmingham. DOB 18 February 1806.

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Re: David Jones and "mary" Birmingham?
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 29 April 17 15:28 BST (UK) »
So where did the steel toy maker detail come from?

I'm not going to be of much help as I don't have a current Ancestry sub, sorry.
UK census content is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk  Transcriptions are my own.

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Re: David Jones and "mary" Birmingham?
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 29 April 17 15:30 BST (UK) »
well samuels daughter.. sarah jones marriage cert..
sarahs husband (william Lees b1822 snow hill ) dad.. (John Lees) was the steel toy maker, I was crossing the two family lines :(
Smith, Tolley, Griffiths,
Monaghan, Richards, Clark, Clarke,
Brazier, Filben, Fibben,Filbin
Sherdon, Churden,Sheldon
Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, Bilston, Kent, London, Middlesex