Grace Philip

[Robair]

Hi Rosie,  Thanks for your help.  I have that record too.  It could be him although he would have been 22 in 1891 - and there's no record of him ever having been in the Army. You never know though.

Dawn - the 1911 Scottish census record shows David Philip 41 b Scotland, Alice Philip 40 b England and Grace Philip 4 b England living at an address in Dundee next door to David's brothers and sisters an their families. James Crichton is not at that address but is listed elsewhere. They are listed as having been married for five years and have had two children but only one - Grace- surviving.

Rob

Thanks for later posts. It might be that David did join the army. His father's name IS David

Thank you all for your help.   Still trying to find David's marriage cert and Grace's birth. Portsmouth CC and Hants CC (which covers the area surrounding Portsmouth) say they have no record

[Jool]

Strangely the passenger list transcription on Ancestry gives her place of birth as Portsmouth, but I can't see how they got this as it isn't on the image, that just says England and gives her age as 4, which would be a birth about 1908.

Hi Groom, I scratched my head over that for a moment too - but if you click the arrow on the right of the screen image it takes you to the next page with more details. Follow Grace's line 18 to the last column 

[groom]

If that is the right David, it would fit with Grace being born in Portsmouth. As it says she was born there on the passenger list, her parents must have given that information, so it is looking as if it could be correct.

[groom]

Did you ask Portsmouth CC and Hampshire to check under Philip, Phillip, Philips and Phillips? Having said that I can't find a birth on Freebmd either.

I wonder if she was born before the marriage (if there was one) and registered under her mother's name? There are quite a few Graces born Portsmouth the right quarter if her DOB is correct. It would mean checking which were illegitimate and then seeing if the 1901 had an Alice of the right age with that name.

[Robair]

Yes, tried all that.   

Can someone tell me what it says on the extended passenger list on Ancestry please?  I don't have that. But it's looking lime Rosie is right and David joined the Royal Artillery. 

[Jool]

Page 2 of the passenger list states that they were going to join Alice's brother - Geo. Hoghson in Scammon.

Added -  Alice's brother also paid for their passage.

[dawnsh]

I can't solve the mystery just yet but her date of birth, 24 May 1907, is possibly wrong 

If she was 4 on the 1 June 1912 when they sailed, her birthday is somewhere between 2nd June 1907 and 1 June 1908.

On 1st June 1912 she would already be 5 years old if her bday was 24 May 1907.

Also looking at the passenger list, they are going to live with Alice's relative, her brother George, David's brother-in-law but I can't work out his surname.

[Jool]

Hi Dawn, Alice's brother's surname looks like Hoghson - most likely a spelling mistake for Hodgson.

[dawnsh]

There's a George Hodgson born England 1860 in Scammon, Cherokee County, Kansas in the 1910 census.

George is with 2nd wife Hetty as she has bought her Devlin children as step children to the marriage and census,