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Re: Was my great grandmother adopted?
« Reply #27 on: Thursday 01 June 17 03:38 BST (UK) »
What an interesting thread with some good detective work by yourself & the others  ;)

I can't help wondering why someone as old as Elizabeth (although single) felt the need to have F J adopted as she seems to have had family around her to help?

Did she have an occupation on the census?

It just seems a bit sad but my other wonder is whether Elizabeth & the Taylors knew each other or were possibly related & my reasoning is the fact that there seemed to be no secret about who F J's mother was or at least what her birth surname was.

Have you looked into. any possible family relationship with the Taylors or is my curiosity just a step too far  ???

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Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

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Re: Was my great grandmother adopted?
« Reply #28 on: Thursday 01 June 17 03:57 BST (UK) »
Totally agree with snnie
And with adoptions and dubious births its worth looking at families and neighbours

Now you know elizabeth taylor was a single mum check out affiliatin orders

She may have done this if she originally intended to keep child within her gfamily or board her out

We paid the local record office to do this bit of research for us

The d ocument is beautiful .it names father in full .plus his age and address and how much to pay weekly til child 14 yrs.old

Will get back to you in pm when i can .

Also take a look at pages either side.of census page and make a note of neighbours and lodgers first  /  last names and proffessions



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Re: Was my great grandmother adopted?
« Reply #29 on: Thursday 01 June 17 04:34 BST (UK) »

Did she have an occupation on the census?


Should have put it on the previous post - sorry - Elizabeth was noted as "warehouse woman".

When I was looking last night, I did see a marriage between a TAYLOR and WARD which looked interesting, but got distracted by yawning and bedtime ( ;) ). Will have another look now.

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Re: Was my great grandmother adopted?
« Reply #30 on: Thursday 01 June 17 04:48 BST (UK) »
This was the marriage that intrigued me:

Thomas TAYLOR aged 65 (father's name William) married Mary WARD (father's name Thomas FOWLKES) aged 56 on 5 Nov 1854 at St George's Birmingham. In 1861 they are living in Aston.

Probably just a coincidence, being relatively common names.  ??? Although I do agree, there was probably some connection between the WARD's and Elizabeth TAYLOR.

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Re: Was my great grandmother adopted?
« Reply #31 on: Thursday 01 June 17 06:13 BST (UK) »
Hi Maddy,

That's intriguing from my point of view/thoughts  ;)

Maybe my thought is too much lateral thinking but looking at the situ with age/family & what seems to be a close family it does make me wonder  ???

It's always another avenue too which may lead somewhere  ???


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Re: Was my great grandmother adopted?
« Reply #32 on: Thursday 01 June 17 17:06 BST (UK) »
Excellent work everyone and a great outcome. ;)

Possible?

1841 Census
Birmingham. Wawickshire
Sarah Meadows, 40, Grocer
Geo Norton, 50, Taylor
Edwd Taylor, 25
Edwd Horton, 24
Elizabeth Taylor, 24
Jane Taylor, 20
Occp's are hard to make out for most of them.
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Re: Was my great grandmother adopted?
« Reply #33 on: Thursday 01 June 17 17:27 BST (UK) »
Jane Taylors Marriage to  Charles has her Father as Thomas, Occp Tool Maker

There is a 1842 Marriage of Edward Taylor, Father Thomas, Occp Tool Maker
Spouse Eliza Moule
Edward HORTON/Susan MEADOWS are Witnesses so fits 1841 Census I posted

Looking back at 1841 Census Edward is a Die Sinker which matches M/C.

From what I know letter cutter, die sinker & stamper are all to do with the printing business.
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Re: Was my great grandmother adopted?
« Reply #34 on: Thursday 01 June 17 17:39 BST (UK) »
Just another thought....

Could Frances have been named after her adoptive mother if there was a close link with the Taylors or just a coincidence  :-\

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie, MacDonald, MacInnes, MacIntyre, MacKinnon, Steele, Walker

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, MacKinnon, MacPhee

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Re: Was my great grandmother adopted?
« Reply #35 on: Thursday 01 June 17 18:18 BST (UK) »
Saw the 1841 yesterday but couldn't find an Edward, Jane & Elizabeth Baptism to a Thomas that seemed to suit.
I did find Edward & Jane with parents Thomas & Elizabeth, Thomas was a steel toy maker on both. The one I found for Elizabeth with parents Thomas & Elizabeth had him as a purse spring maker so not convinced at the moment.
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