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Offline joanearls

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Clark Family Orsett, Thurrock, Essex
« on: Tuesday 02 May 17 08:00 BST (UK) »
I am looking for any information on the above family.
Information so far: George Robert Clark(Clarke) 1882 Folkstone, Kent , Mariner Partner Rose lived for awhile in London area. (Cockney) All children born London when Rose at least moved to Orsett, Essex with her children and married William J. Sutton  in 1927 in Orsett, Essex.
Children: Rose
              Dorothy (Doll) Married Unknown
              Robert , Married Florrie
              Frederick (Fred) Married Unknown Had a son Colin and  had a Waste Removal Business in
              Thurrock area which he and his son ran. Colin I believe had his own Plane.
              William Edward Clark Circa 1913 London Married Ruth Bearman and had 3 children who
              have no information on the family.
              William's Twin Brother  Died at Birth 1913 London
              Walter Married Violet
 I have been unable to find a marriage for George and Rose or the children's births.
 George is Interred in West Ham Cemetery.

Any information on this family would be very much appreciated

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Re: Clark Family Orsett, Thurrock, Essex
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 02 May 17 09:41 BST (UK) »
Any idea of the maiden name of Rose

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Re: Clark Family Orsett, Thurrock, Essex
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 02 May 17 09:49 BST (UK) »
do you have the marriage cert for Rose Clark and William J Sutton -this should give Rose's father's name

according to 1939 register free search Rose was b 1871??

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Re: Clark Family Orsett, Thurrock, Essex
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 02 May 17 10:02 BST (UK) »
Clark(e) in London is difficult, any ideas where in London the births took place 1913

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Garner, Marylebone Paddington  Northolt Ilford
Garner, Devon
Garner New Zealand
Maddieson
Parkinson St Pancras,
Lethbridge Paddington Slough
Jenkins Marylebone Paddington
Mizon/Mison/Myson Paddington
Tindal Marylebone Paddington
Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London
Southam Marylebone, Paddington
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Re: Clark Family Orsett, Thurrock, Essex
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 02 May 17 10:56 BST (UK) »
You can check births Clark mothers maiden name Bearman  on www,freebmd.org.uk, can't mention them on an open board as they could still be alive but it looks  as if there were 3 children born in Thurrock area

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Garner, Marylebone Paddington  Northolt Ilford
Garner, Devon
Garner New Zealand
Maddieson
Parkinson St Pancras,
Lethbridge Paddington Slough
Jenkins Marylebone Paddington
Mizon/Mison/Myson Paddington
Tindal Marylebone Paddington
Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London
Southam Marylebone, Paddington
Bragg Lambeth 1800's
Edermaniger(Maniger) Essex Kent Canada (Toronto)
Coveney Kent Lambeth
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Re: Clark Family Orsett, Thurrock, Essex
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 02 May 17 11:17 BST (UK) »
Thank you so much.
I had noticed that Rose was possibly born 1871. However that would make her 42 years when her first child was born. I found George on the 1911 Census in Kent. He was 29 years and single, living alone a Mariner working on Collier Boats.
Sadly I am unaware of Rose's Maiden name and wonder about the Rose Clarke who married Sutton if Clarke was indeed her maiden name. Still, I have been unable to trace all these children with one mother's maiden name either on Ancestry, Find My Past or LDS records.
I am in touch with William and Rose Bearman's 3 children who are Roger, Deidre and Malcolm but they are unable to throw any further light on their Grandparents other than what they have given me above. Malcolm say's his father William Edward was born 4 June 1913 but I am unable to trace this record.
Joan

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Re: Clark Family Orsett, Thurrock, Essex
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 02 May 17 11:26 BST (UK) »
I do wonder if they were born named Clark

What a shame you have so little information

Rose was a lot older than George it would appear

Then her husband William appears to be a lot older than her by some 14 years

I found George living alone 1911

Have you got the marriage cert for Rose and William Sutton?

Has any of the children born to Rose got their original birth certs, I suspect they might not be born Clark's, I can't find anything that matches up with the surname

Where was William Edward born, that would give us a clue

Louisa Maud

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Garner, Marylebone Paddington  Northolt Ilford
Garner, Devon
Garner New Zealand
Maddieson
Parkinson St Pancras,
Lethbridge Paddington Slough
Jenkins Marylebone Paddington
Mizon/Mison/Myson Paddington
Tindal Marylebone Paddington
Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London
Southam Marylebone, Paddington
Bragg Lambeth 1800's
Edermaniger(Maniger) Essex Kent Canada (Toronto)
Coveney Kent Lambeth
Sondes

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Re: Clark Family Orsett, Thurrock, Essex
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 02 May 17 12:52 BST (UK) »
With so little information can I ask how you know that Rose's husband/partner was named George Robert Clark?   I ask because you state that George was buried in West Ham but cannot find a death for a George R. Clark in West Ham???   (can only find a George E. bc.1880 who died in 1924, 3 years before Rose married William J. Sutton).

Just wondered how George's full name is known and can you tell us when he died?

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Re: Clark Family Orsett, Thurrock, Essex
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 02 May 17 13:43 BST (UK) »
Hi
William Edward Clark's daughter knew her Grandfather was George and a Mariner also that he was
Interred in West Ham Cemetery. She had assumed he died young but then said his death would have made him 78 years so that would make his death in the 1960's.
I found him on the National Archives at Kew. From the information I collected he was born Clarke but dropped the E on the 1911 Census.
William's son said his father was born within the sound of Bow Bells so a true Cockney. I also wonder if the Rose who married Sutton could be a later marriage than the one found in 1927. I Guess something happened within the family not to talk about George ever.
Joan