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John BRIGHTON, born 1837, Gloucestershire (Cheltenham?)
« on: Tuesday 02 May 17 16:10 BST (UK) »
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John BRIGHTON was born c1837, probably in Cheltenham, the son of John BRIGHTON and Mary BRIGHTON (nee BALL)...... the family, excluding the above son John who was in prison, appear in the 1851 England Census at HO107/1973/431, p.29.

Can anyone help me to find this son John FROM 1861 ONWARDS please.   I have tried all the available Indexes but without success :'(

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Re: John BRIGHTON, born 1837, Gloucestershire (Cheltenham?)
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 02 May 17 16:22 BST (UK) »
Looks like the family were still up north in 1841, so John jnr more likely born there?

1841
Orchard Street, Warrington Lancashire
John Brighton 30 painter N
Mary 30 N
John 4 N

they move around, as 1851when they are living in Cheltenham gives John (senior) bn in Durham? Devon, and Mary as born in Wales, and son Edward age 7 as born Glamorganshire.
SO it looks as if they came to Cheltenham after Edwards birth.

Where was John jnr in prison in 1851? Only aged 14. What pob does he give then?
Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

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Re: John BRIGHTON, born 1837, Gloucestershire (Cheltenham?)
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 02 May 17 16:45 BST (UK) »
No reference to birthplace in his Millbank/Parkhurst records, except to confirm that his father John BRIGHTON, Painter/Glazier, lived in Nelson Street, Cheltenham and, hence, my finding the 1851 Census entry.

However, I did unearth a moment ago courtesy of A-------- that he and his brother Edward spent a month in prison in 1862 which I need to explore!!!

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Re: John BRIGHTON, born 1837, Gloucestershire (Cheltenham?)
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 02 May 17 22:09 BST (UK) »

Gloucestershire Genealogical Database

24 December 1849 John BRIGHTON aged 13 : residence, Cheltenham

24 Septmber 1850 John BRIGHTON aged 13 : residence, Cheltenham, Brickyard Worker
(info on A...... 4' 6" tall, etc etc, pock marked etc.   stole boots etc.

??  18 November 1854 John BRIGHTON aged 19 Windsor, Berkshire Flax Worker



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British Newspaper Archive

(just a brief outline as I don't subscribe)


Cheltenham Chronicle: Thursday 10 January 1850

Jqmes CLINTON & John BRIGHTON, Cheltenham, for stealing two brass-barrelled pistols.
3 Months Imprisonment


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Re: John BRIGHTON, born 1837, Gloucestershire (Cheltenham?)
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 03 May 17 14:21 BST (UK) »
Hello Capetown,

Thank you for the information.   Fits the picture!!!

I have re-opened my research of John BRIGHTON after much investigation into the Gloucester Prison Records.

It seems he was born in Windsor, Berkshire, and his last known transgression was a Calendar Month hard labour on 25/04/1862........the prison records state: Native of Windsor, single, eight times in this prison (Gloucester County Gaol), twice for vagrancy, the remainder for larceny has been twice transported for 7 and 4 years respectively (not transported but in reality rather penal servitude in England).   It seems he also spent 12 weeks in the Rifle Brigade, but deserted and on 05/10/1859  delivered to an army escort.   I cannot find any Court Martial results.   However, he was "back on the streets" literally in 1860 and gaoled for vagrancy ::)

I wish I could find information for him after the above 25/04/1862 but am failing miserably :'(

For the moment,

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Re: John BRIGHTON, born 1837, Gloucestershire (Cheltenham?)
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 03 May 17 15:10 BST (UK) »
There does appear to be a number of John BRIGHTON's registered 1837 - but can't see too many on later census returns


?  Probably not the right John, but just in case

A.......

London, England, Workhouse Admissions & Discharge Papers


Tower Hamlets, Stepney, Workhouses & Institute


John BRIGHTON c1837 Age 51

Residence: 9 June 1888/25 June 1888

Address: 12 Princes Street, Widower, occupation: Hawker

Cause of Admission: Skin Eruption

Religion :    R.C.  (ditto from above entry)

By Order of Mr Donald

Time admitted: 4.50

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Re: John BRIGHTON, born 1837, Gloucestershire (Cheltenham?)
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 03 May 17 16:05 BST (UK) »
Capetown,

I had noticed the Tower Hamlets entry and put it to one side as a possibility.

There is an 1871 England Census reference for the Windsor 1837 birthplace but the children's ages seem slightly out of kilter with his criminal activities.   Again a possibility??

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Re: John BRIGHTON, born 1837, Gloucestershire (Cheltenham?)
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 03 May 17 18:04 BST (UK) »
With John's criminal records, he could have done and go by an alias.. (this is what my x Grandad did to escape debt - he went by another surname for two census returns, only his death certificate gave his correct surname, address the same as the census') Or, jump ship at Gloucester.  What happened to his brother?

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Re: John BRIGHTON, born 1837, Gloucestershire (Cheltenham?)
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 03 May 17 20:09 BST (UK) »
As he appeared to have separated from his family at such a young age, lived as a vagrant, and then had periods in and out of prison, I would say it is quite likely he ended up as one of those entries one reads in burial registers such as "body of man found in ditch" or the like. With his history it could be unlikely that he ever settled down with a job and a home, more likely he continued to live on the streets as a tramp, with no income, beg borrowing or stealing to eat, until the lifestyle got the better of him one cold winter's night.
Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

census information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk