Author Topic: Richard W WARD of Kendal 91843-1917  (Read 2948 times)

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Re: Richard W WARD of Kendal 91843-1917
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 03 May 17 13:48 BST (UK) »
Richard Wilson
Christening Date   28 May 1843
KENDAL,WESTMORLAND
Birth Date   06 May 1843
Mother's Name   Elizabeth Wilson

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Re: Richard W WARD of Kendal 91843-1917
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 04 May 17 04:44 BST (UK) »
This is pure speculation, but an Elizabeth WILSON died at Kendal in Dec qtr 1845 aged 19, possibly Richard's mother? (Vol 25 page 324).

Still, can't find any link between them and the Wards in Middleton, though.

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Re: Richard W WARD of Kendal 91843-1917
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 04 May 17 06:53 BST (UK) »

Richard W WARD
1851 Census - Richard W WARD had been adopted and was living with his adoptive parents John WARD & Mary (pos nee TAYLOR) WARD in Middleton, near Manchester (a relation perhaps?)


I don't think Mary was Mary TAYLOR, the John WARD who married Mary TAYLOR in 1817 was a weaver. However, there is a marriage for John WARD (butcher) and Mary WHITE on 5 Feb 1828 at Liverpool. Witnesses were John Caghlan and Ann Beaden.

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Re: Richard W WARD of Kendal 91843-1917
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 04 May 17 07:01 BST (UK) »
John and Mary WARD (butcher) have children baptised at St Leonard Middleton:

John Furnas 11 Jan 1829
Timothy       16 Jan 1831
Sarah Ellen   11 Aug 1833

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Re: Richard W WARD of Kendal 91843-1917
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 06 May 17 04:00 BST (UK) »
rosie99 and maddy52
My indebted thanks for destroying my Richard W and opening up an equally feasible new line of enquiry.
I forgot to mention that Richard W and Rachel Ann HASLEM had a daughter Annie Wilson b 18 Mar 1866 and bp 27 Apr 1868.  I digress, but you can see why the "W" in Richard W was likely to be his mother's maiden name now it seems it could have been his surname before adoption.
I do like the the line that you both have opened up and the link between the WILSONs and the WARDs now possess a different problem in that I can't find the death of WILSON Snr.  If John WARD's wife had been Mary TAYLOR it would have saved a lot of time.  I do like the John and Mary line as subsequently a number of WARDs were Butchers.
Hope we can share this fascinating link a little longer, to find out where the direct WARD line ended up.
Regards
PS I'm resident in Omokoroa, Bay of Plenty, New Zealand not that far from Hobbiton.

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Re: Richard W WARD of Kendal 91843-1917
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 06 May 17 12:47 BST (UK) »
In looking at John and Mary WARD, I think this is them in 1841:

John Ward       48
Mary Ward    46
Mary Ward    21
William Ward    16
Hannah Ward    14    
John Ward       12    
Timothy Ward    10    
Sarah Ward    8    

 HO107/544/42

This implies the marriage in 1828 is either not the correct John WARD, or possibly a second marriage.

Still trying to find some connection to Richard W ...  ???

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Re: Richard W WARD of Kendal 91843-1917
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 06 May 17 13:46 BST (UK) »
So looking even further, I think these are baptisms to John and Mary WARD at Middleton that fit with the census:

1818 William  (John is a weaver)  (buried 1824)
1819 Mary Ann (weaver)
1822 Joseph (weaver)  (buried 1823)
1826 Hannah (gardener)
1829 John Furnas (butcher)
1831 Timothy (butcher)
1833 Sarah Ellen (butcher)

In which case the marriage of John and Mary could well be John WARD (weaver) and Mary TAYLOR 28 July 1817 both of Chadderton (with consent of parents by Banns) at St Mary, Oldham. Witnesses Ralph Jackson and Joseph Tweedall.

Going round in circles here, but still no closer to Richard W.

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Re: Richard W WARD of Kendal 91843-1917
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 16 May 17 06:30 BST (UK) »
Just a brief comment regarding your initial post and the marriage of William WARD & Ann BRADSHAW. William and Ann had both been married previously. Ann was buried in Kendal (Holy Trinity) on the 10 May 1822 aged 47 and William on the 1 Nov 1826 (aged 69 (according to his burial record) or aged 79 (according to a newspaper death notice)). William's first wife was Sally BIRKETT {WILSON}, who was buried in Kendal on the 6 Dec 1811 (aged 52).

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Re: Richard W WARD of Kendal 1843-1917
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 30 May 17 00:58 BST (UK) »
To maddys52, rosie99 and fretep
Have finally received, from the GRO, the birth certificate of Richard WARD and yes maddy you were right in the first instance.  Richard's mother was indeed Ann SCOTT and he was born 12 Aug 1843 at Highgate, Kendal to father William (a Sawyer) and mother Ann.  We can therefore forget Ann BRADSHAW, thanks fretep for your input.
Again maddy following your burst of info on the 3 May and in particular your 1153 & 1209 BST (UK) threads, I think you were on track.  William could have started as a Sawyer and became subsequently became a joiner/carpenter.  I shall follow your lead and see where it gets me past the 1871 census.
My thanks, from a distant NZ, to you all for your interest and help.
PS Richard Wilson WARD may have been a red herring