In a muddle, need help!

[Helina]

Been trying to sort this family since 7 o'clock this morning!

John James Tinney born 1841 Pembroke Dock, Wales.  Married Eliza Puddington Bentley born 1836 Bristol in 1861.

They had 7 children, I think?

John James Tinney 1859-1896 (c)
Elizabeth Jane 1862-1929
Charles Richard 1864-1865
Fanny born 1866
Charles Richard 1870-1918
Eliza Flora 1873-1933
Flora born 1876
All born in Devonport

Can find no suitable birth reg on GRO Records for John James or Elizabeth Jane

On 1861 there are 2 other children Mary Bentley b 1852 and William Bentley born 1858. So guess Eliza was married before, found a marriage reg on FreeBMD in 1855 between a William Thomas Bently and Eliza Puddington.  The sister Elizabeth J Nathan's maiden name is also Puddington.

So where did John come in the family, should mention I did find 1 reg entry in 1858 for a John James reg in Bodmin, mother's name Tinney.  Could John be the son of one of John (senior) sisters and John and Eliza adopted him.
Any help would be appreciated

helina

[BumbleB]

John James and Eliza were both single when they married on 8 April 1861 - image on FindMyPast. 

John James Junior was born 12 September 1860 and baptised 23 September, son of John James and Eliza Tinney - image on FindMyPast

Elizabeth Jane was born 15 October 1862 and baptised 30 October, daughter of John James and Flora Tinney - image on FindMyPast

[BumbleB]

Charles Richard - born 14 November 1864, baptised 29 December
Fanny - no sign of a baptism
Charles Richard - born 6 July 1870, baptised 17 July
Eliza Flora - no sign of a baptism
Flora - no sign of a baptism

[BumbleB]

I think that there might be errors in the 1861 marriage entry:

1855 marriage entry Eliza Puddington says that her father is Richard Puddington, a butcher - William Thomas Bentley's father is Thomas Bentley, Seaman.  Both are full age and single, Eliza's address given as 30 Ebrington Street. 

1861 marriage entry Eliza Puddington Bentley's father's name has been altered.  "Rich" has been crossed out and Thomas Bentley, Sailmaker entered.

Baptisms for William Thomas John Bentley - born 22 September 1857, baptised 9 October 1857 and Mary Ann Bentley - born 11 April 1852, baptised 9 October 1857 show parents as William Thomas (Mariner) and Eliza Bentley of 15 Ebrington Street.

[Helina]

Thanks, Bumble,  do not subscribe to FindMyPast but I did have the baptism for Elizabeth Jane becuse her mother was down as Flora discarded it.

helina

[BumbleB]

There's currently an offer, open to 7 May for a £1 subscription to FindMyPast    It might be an idea to have a look for yourself.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=770775.0

[Helina]

Thanks again,  Off to see the computer buddy at the library to morrow morning (a few problems with AVG)  I have a look at FindMyPast which is free but may well join the site for a £1.00

helina

[Helina]

Found baptism for Eliza Flora
Baptised 4 July 1873 St James the Great, Devonport
Flora
Baptised 16 April 1876 St James the Great, Devonport

helina

[Helina]

Found the marriage on FindMyPast for John Tinney and Eliza Puddington Bentley in 1861 and yes they are down both as single, which I find difficult to accept

1..I Have also been looking at Eliza's sister Elizabeth Nathan who is staying with them on the 1861 census.  Elizabeth's maiden name was Elizabeth Jane Puddington born 1826 Plymouth.  In 1848 she married Michael Nathan, on the marriage certificate father is Richard Pudding occupation butcher.  On Eliza Puddington so called marriage to William Thomas Bentley the marriage also gives Eliza's father as Richard and occupation Butcher. Address 30 Ebrington St.  Also I see Elizabeth Jane is a witness to John and Eliza's marriage in 1861.

I have found a possible death on GRO site for William Bentley in 1857 reg in S Molton,  age 81? possible but doubtful.

Eliza had a reason for saying she was single, Did she put down William Bentley as her father knowing he was dead and much older than herself. Or was she still married???  but the registrar may of made a mistake which is likely bearing she had 2 children.

Opinions please

helina