Author Topic: Elizabeth Walker M.S. Henderson of Ruthwell or Annan  (Read 1740 times)

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Re: Elizabeth Walker M.S. Henderson of Ruthwell or Annan
« Reply #9 on: Friday 05 May 17 19:19 BST (UK) »
Dorrie, these entries for births show on Family Search:

1855 - https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XYT9-H8F
1857 - https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XYPN-Q8M
1857 - https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XYR3-DBB

It is a puzzle for sure what happened to Elizabeth's early years and her origins  :-\

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Re: Elizabeth Walker M.S. Henderson of Ruthwell or Annan
« Reply #10 on: Friday 05 May 17 20:24 BST (UK) »
Thanks Monica and Dorrie, for your assistance.

It is indeed a mystery, and the fact that she gave 5 different marriage dates when registering her children's births makes me wonder what was going on.

Would it have been possible or not unusual at this time in Scotland, for couples to be unmarried ?

I even checked a birth of an Elisabeth Brown Henderson in Ruthwell in 1963, but again her mother's name didn't match - aside from the fact that if it was the right person, she'd have only been 14 when her first child was born!

It's very difficult when the only known details are a mother's name of Jeannie Henderson (I assume this could also be Jean or Jane) and the implied birth dates from the census returns and death certificate.

If Elizabeth was born illegitimately, could there have been any paternity cases brought ? If so, do you know how I would be able to track down these records ?

My only other angle is the names of Simon Davidson and Jeannie Davidson m.s. Henderson that are given as parents on Elizabeth's death record. But I have no idea of when or where they might have married.

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Re: Elizabeth Walker M.S. Henderson of Ruthwell or Annan
« Reply #11 on: Friday 05 May 17 20:56 BST (UK) »
Steve, have a read through on this www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=578172.0  A great summary on social history and broken down by different events of BMDs. It looks like they probably didn't marry doesn't it, at least not in a way that was recorded on the statutory registers...maybe an irregular marriage which whilst not that common did happen in Scotland at that time.

Was the name of Elizabeth's father given on her death reg Andrew or Simon Davidson (you have mentioned both)? Was there a specific occupation given for him?

Maxwell Ancestry has been busy adding to their database of paternity cases in Scottish Sheriff Courts. See http://maxwellancestry.co.uk/courtsearch.aspx

What I think is particulary a problem for you now here is finding a young Elizabeth in both 1861 & 1871. She seems consistent in her birth place being Annan/Ruthwell with a birth year c. 1855-57 doesn't she. Family search is pretty good at picking up on their indexes on most post 1855 Scottish births up to around 1875 or so. Nothing really showing there or SP so far from what we have is there  :-\

Monica

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Re: Elizabeth Walker M.S. Henderson of Ruthwell or Annan
« Reply #12 on: Friday 05 May 17 21:03 BST (UK) »
Hi Monica,

Thanks for the links, and apologies for the mistake in my last post. It should have been Andrew Davidson, who was recorded as a general labourer.

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Re: Elizabeth Walker M.S. Henderson of Ruthwell or Annan
« Reply #13 on: Friday 05 May 17 21:18 BST (UK) »
Just checking the Valuation Rolls index on SP for 1855:

Andrew DAVIDSON
Tenant Occupier
HOUSE PORT STREET
ANNAN
   
1855
   
VR000200001

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Re: Elizabeth Walker M.S. Henderson of Ruthwell or Annan
« Reply #14 on: Friday 05 May 17 21:59 BST (UK) »
Hi Monica,

Just come across this on the Maxwell site. I wonder whether it would be worth pursuing ?

Do you know what sort of detail is usually provided in this type of record ? Would the child's name be mentioned ?

Pursuer   Jean Henderson, Lockerbie
Defender   Francis McGlasson, son of and residing with John McGlasson, Innkeeper, Lockerbie
Year of Child's Birth   1856
Year Extract Isssued   1857
Sheriff Court   Dumfries
County   Dumfriesshire
NRS Reference   SC15/7/31 p. 274

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Re: Elizabeth Walker M.S. Henderson of Ruthwell or Annan
« Reply #15 on: Friday 05 May 17 22:23 BST (UK) »
Some notes here that explain further www.scottishindexes.com/learningcourt.aspx

Scottish Indexes is part of Maxwell Ancestry. Emma, co owner often posts here on RC, such as www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=748727.msg5963989#msg5963989

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Re: Elizabeth Walker M.S. Henderson of Ruthwell or Annan
« Reply #16 on: Friday 05 May 17 22:35 BST (UK) »
Thanks.

It's a shame that the notes say that the child is not normally named.

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Re: Elizabeth Walker M.S. Henderson of Ruthwell or Annan
« Reply #17 on: Friday 05 May 17 22:42 BST (UK) »
I might be way off track here, but isn't Annan near to Gretna Green?  Could they have skipped over  and got married there maybe!

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