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Offline Heather Cardwell

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LAFFINS family
« on: Sunday 07 May 17 14:33 BST (UK) »
Hi there, anyone got any information about the Laffins or Laffin folk from Drumgooland/Ballyward area in Co. Down? My great great grandfather was Joseph Laffins who married Mary Jane Hamilton of the same area. Thank you.

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Re: LAFFINS family
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 07 May 17 16:16 BST (UK) »
Hi there, anyone got any information about the Laffins or Laffin folk from Drumgooland/Ballyward area in Co. Down? My great great grandfather was Joseph Laffins who married Mary Jane Hamilton of the same area. Thank you.

You really do need to provide more details in order for us to help you find the correct family.

A Joseph Laffin of Drumgooland married an Elizabeth Hamilton-
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rosdavies/SURNAMES/L/LacLau.htm

A Joseph Laffin living in Drumgreenagh with family in 1911-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Drumgath/Drumgreenagh/257720

Either or neither could be the same family as in your post but no way to know  :-\
Away sorting out DNA matches... I may be gone for some time many years!

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Re: LAFFINS family
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 07 May 17 22:00 BST (UK) »
Record Type   Civil Marriage
Date of Marriage   13 Apr 1857
Groom Name   Joseph LAFFIN  (father,Joseph Laffin)
Bride Name   Eliza Jane  HAMILTON (father,James Laffin)
Church   Drumgooland Church of Ireland
Parish   Drumgooland
Civil District   Banbridge
County   Down

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Re: LAFFINS family
« Reply #3 on: Monday 08 May 17 19:55 BST (UK) »
Hi Heather,  bear with me for awhile, you refer to Mary Jane Hamilton and this upsets the applecart, I notice
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGCD-ZVK has an indexing contradiction referring to Mary Jane Hamilton rather than Eliza Jane all other particulars of marriage are the same. if this is your source, we should allow for a transcription error within one index entry within Familysearch index of records.  The marriage details show Joseph was a widower. Sam’s civil record also has a strange difference, Eliza Jane Hamiltons father is James Laffin not James Hamilton
the familyhistory version of the marriage is https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGCD-ZVL
Name-Joseph Laffin
Spouse's Name-Eliza Jane Hamilton
Event Date-13 Apr 1857
Event Place-Drumgooland, Down, Ireland
Father's Name-Joseph Laffin
Spouse's Father's Name-James Hamilton
Marital Status-Widowed
Spouse's Marital Status-Single

another confusion breaking out is Eliza Hamilton herself , I assumed wrongly from reading Aghadoweys 1911 reference was thinking that his is her in the 1901 census
24 in Drumgreenagh (Drumgath, Down) James Laffin and Sarah are living with their own family plus
 Laffin-Eliza b 1833-68-Female-Mother-Presbiterian-Co Down-Retired Farmer-Read and
Laffin-Sarah-b.~ 1869  32-Female-Sister-Presbiterian-Co Down-Seamstress-Read and write-English-Not Married--
Laffin-Rebecca-[b~1878 or 1873 if 23 transcribe wrongly for 28] 23-Female-Sister-Presbiterian-Co Down-Seamstress-Read and write-English-Not Married—father william?
Laffin-Lucy- b~1867  34-Female-Sister-Presbiterian-Co Down-Seamstress-Read and write-English-Not Married--
all four don’t appear in 1911 census
finding out more about James
James Laffin farmer of Drumgreenagh county Down farmer died 9 February 1932 Probate Belfast 30 June to William John Laffin etc see PRONI Wills

which lead me backwards thus
Looking up Valuation records starting with
1823-1838  Tithe Applotment Books originals in PRONI Belfast http://www.irishgenealogyhub.com/down/tithe-applotment-books/drumgath-parish.php#.WRCyBlKZMwQ
Laffan, Willm.   Townland: Drumgrenagh Year: 1834

1864   Griffiths valuation  http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/
LAFFAN   WILLIAM   DOWN     DRUMGATH
then the same property at the PRONI website  ‘valuation continuation ‘records appears 
VAL/12/B/22/10A (1866 - 1882) as Plot 30 A 15 acres & 30 B: 2+ acres William Laffan
VAL/12/B/22/10B (1883 - 1893) as Plot 30 A 15 acres & 30 B: 2+ acres rep of William Laffan
VAL/12/B/22/10C (1894 - 1908) as plot30 simplified to 16 acres Rep of William Laffan changes to James laffan
VAL/12/B/22/10D (1909 - 1929) as Plot 30 James Laffan 

pausing, I had believed at this point I would find a direct connection to Joseph, but no it is a Wllliam.
The William or his son appears thus in Ros Davies Co Down website
William   LAFFIN   .   Drumgath   regd. Rathfriland; husband of Elizabeth Brown; father of James Martin Laffin b. 18 Aug 1868 & Rebecca b. 8 Aug 1873   CR
see Rebecca in 1901 census
we have connections

then pausing and looking at Ros Davies Co Down website
William   LAFFIN   .   Drumgooland   son of Joseph Laffin; married Mary Anne Leggits 18 Aug 1856   CR

leaves me thinking the right William  must have had his mother Elizabeth  Brown  living with him as Eliza Laffin

Without proof but trying to see if other ends meet I think your family tree is shaping up with second marriages as something like
1.Joseph Laffin Unknown m unknown
could be b~1811, d 1884 Banbridge see https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FT7G-KZ7
m1 Unknown
children
1.1.  William Laffin b >>1840
m1   18 Aug 1856 Drumgooland  Mary Anne Leggits
m2     9 Sept 1859 Clonduff   Eliza Brown

Joseph Laffin  m2 13 April 1857 Drumgooland Church of Ireland Eliza Jane Hamilton
children
1.2. Joseph Laffin b 13 April 1857 father JOSEPH   Down
1.3. Robert Laffins b 13 Jul 1866 father JOSEPH Laffins Ballyward birthplace see
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FR47-Q87
1.3. Elizabeth Laffins b 8th Jun 1869 father Joseph, mother Elizabeth
birth and christening Ballyward see https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FPY7-GZ8

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Re: LAFFINS family
« Reply #4 on: Monday 08 May 17 21:02 BST (UK) »
I think the James Laffin was a little typing error on my part, should read James Hamilton .

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Re: LAFFINS family
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 01 June 17 18:03 BST (UK) »
THANK YOU, Sam Barry Aghadowey and BallyaltikilliganG. Wow! This is fantastic. The Mary Jane Hamilton I first mentioned was wrong. It was, indeed, Eliza Jane Hamilton. I can follow this on through now. I knew from other records there was a William Laffins somewhere but never thought of him being a son of a first marriage. It may now seem that the Laffins came from Banbridge. Great help!