John Ramsay

[maddys52]

Sounds like a really good example of why not to trust other people's trees! Always best I think to start with information you are sure about and work back from there. I'm assuming you're researching John RAMSAY? What information do you have about him, are you sure it is the one baptized at Rothbury in 1780? Or is it Robert you are searching?

[coola2]

Researching John Ramsay Baptised Sept 1780 to parents Robert Ramsay, Elis Henderson States name of John Ramsay or Henderson on baptism.
Not sure if his mother is Elizabeth Hall or Henderson

[trish1120]

This is my opinion;

John 1780 was illegitimate, Father Robert Ramsey, Mother Elizabeth Henderson.

It does not appear that they married.

From all evidence I can see Robert married Elizabeth HALL.

Then we have from the Rothbury Census;
Robert RAMSEY aged sixty-two is nephew to HALL who left the sum of one hundred and twenty pounds to the school at Caiston.

If I am right he is a Nephew by Marriage to Elizabeth Hall.

[trish1120]

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Sorry everyone, but I am totally confused here.

I can not find a marriage for Robert and Elisabeth Henderson, but can find a marriage for Robert & Elisabeth Hall in Nov 1781 Rothbury.  I went into my tree at Ancestry and typed in Elisabeth Hall as Robert's wife and the hints that came up show other trees as Elizabeth Henderson as Roberts wife.  The baptism hints for the children showed surname Henderson.

Does anyone have a actual date for the Marriage of Robert to Elizabeth Henderson?

[trish1120]

Ok I may be wrong;

Marriage;
29 April 1752, Rothbury, Northumberland
Ralph RAMSAY to Elizabeth HALL

Still cant find a Marriage for Robert to Elizabeth HENDERSON

[c-side]

There may never have been a marriage - John was illegitimate, perhaps they didn't bother 

[c-side]

I know logic doesn't play much part in this hobby of ours  but this is how I see it.

John's parents were Robert Ramsay and Elizabeth Henderson (not, perhaps never, married)
Robert's parents were Ralph Ramsay and Elizabeth Hall - the marriage date would fit with this and make Robert the actual nephew of Hall rather than one by marriage.

The 1816 census doesn't mention the name of Robert's wife - he could have gone on to marry someone totally different who then produced six daughters.  It doesn't mention a son.

[maddys52]

I'm still not convinced that the Robert who married Eizabeth HALL at Rothbury in 1781 is the father of John. There are a number of other possibilities:

Robert RAMSAY bap 19 Nov 1751 at Bedlington (father Robert RAMSAY, mother Jane TWISELL). Bedlington is about the same distance from Hartburn as Rothbury.

Robert RAMSAY bap 23 Sep 1745 at Rothbury (father Thomas RAMSAY)

Robert RAMSAY bap 23 March 1748 at Mitford (father John RAMSAY). Mitford looks even closer to Hartburn.

This is why I was wondering what evidence coola2 had for the birth date of the parents? Was it just from an Ancestry hint, or is there some actual evidence?

Added: I haven't followed any of these further than looking for births yet, but I think it's worth trying to find what happened to them - even if just to discount them. 

[coola2]

I went to Familysearch and found the Christening.  Shows child John Ramsay or Henderson, Christened 23rd Sept 1780 Rothbury.  Parents Robt Ramsay - Elis. Henderson.

Elizabeth Henderson Christened 31st Dec 1754 Felton. Father - John Henderson.