Katherine Mary Webb

[josalee]

Hi
I do  have the marriage cert for John MacMillan and Katherine Mary Webb on 3 August 1917 at the Parish of Our Lady , Help of Christians 41 Guilhall St. folkestone
Katherine is age 24 years, spinster residing at Victoria hotel, Marine Crescent folkestone , father Alfred John Webb, although the "Alfred is added above the John
John MacMillan is age 26 and a patient at the Ontario hospital Orpington , his father given also as John is marked as deceasd
I@m getting confused about finding the right Katherine!

[josalee]

Hi Just checked the witnesses for the marriage and they were F Phillips and Alice Webb
could Alice Webb be the mother or a sibling?

[Dundee]

What was her father's occupation?

[josalee]

He was a general labourer

[Daisypetal]

Hi,

I think that I might have found the Catherine Mary WEBB that you are looking for although her father is Edward John WEBB but he uses John in the census records. She is born in 1891 so would be fibbing about her age on her marriage certificate and the passenger list but she changes her DOB between these two so she might just be aging slowly




Marriage:  1917    age:  24   born 1892/1893
List:          1923    age:  28    born  1894/95
so 6 years later she's only aged 4 years




The reason that I think this is a likely candidate for your Catherine Mary is that her sister Emily Elizabeth WEBB married a James ATKINS,

Emily Elizabeth WEBB    Dec Q 1904    Canterbury    2a  1915
James Thomas ATKINS


James Thomas ATKINS WW1 pension records at Ancestry show his "Military History Sheet", this shows that his children were born in both Kent and Selby, Yorkshire. His address when he was transferred to the Army Reserve on 14 April 1919 was 40 Old Dover Rd Canterbury, (this has then been crossed out and a note that matches his later address has been added) when he was discharged on 31 March 1920 his address was 250 Barlby Rd, Selby, Yorks.

If the  "younger brother in Selby in 1921 under the surname WEBB"  found by Debra is correct Catherine might have been in Selby to have her child staying with or near her sister Emily.

The address on the emigration passenger list, 2 Roff Yard, James Street, Selby, is only 0.5 miles from 250 Barlby Road.



This Catherine also has a sister Alice that could be her marriage witness, and a brother called Alfred John which might have caused the marriage certificate name addition, if it was done later someone might have confused the name.




Marriage
Edward John WEBB    Jun Q 1882    Canterbury    2a  1238
Annie Eliza FASSOM


Children's births

Amelia Prebble WEBB    Dec Q 1882    Canterbury    2a  803
mmn:  FASSOM     


Emily Elizabeth WEBB    Sep Q 1882    Bridge    2a  785   
mmn:  FASSOM   
(I can't find this one in census or death records)


Emily Elizabeth WEBB    Jun Q 1884    Bridge    2a  796       
mmn:  FASSOM   


Alfred John WEBB    Mar Q 1887    Elham    2a  1006 
mmn:  FASSON   


Annie Louisa WEBB    Jun Q 1889    Elham    2a  1003 
mmn:  FASSOM   

Baptism
07 Apr 1889
St Peter, Folkestone, Kent
Annie Louisa WEBB
Father:  Edward John
Mother:  Annie



Catherine Mary WEBB    Mar Q 1891    Elham    2a  1032    
mmn:  FASSON   




1891  RG12/50  f.82  p.84    Folkestone, Kent (Elham R.D.)
28 Young's Rd

WEBB
John    Head    36    General Labourer     
Annie    Wife    28                                   Canterbury Kent
Amelia    Daur     9    Scholar                          "           "
Emily    Daur     7        "                                   "           "
John    Son     4        "                              Folkestone Kent
Annie    Daur     2                                            "           "
Catherine  Daur  3m                                         "           "




More children's births

Edward Charles WEBB    Mar Q 1894    Elham    2a  1034    
mmn:  FASSOM   

Death
Edward Charles WEBB    Jun Q 1894    Elham    2a  551 
Age:  0   
(GRO site says 6, but from previous experience seems unable to distinguish month and years, using years when it should be months)


Edith Ellen WEBB    Sep Q 1896    Elham    2a  1004
mmn:  FASSON   


Alice ?    I can't find a birth for her.


William Henry    Sep Q 1900    Blean    2a  895   
mmn:  FASSOM   




1901  RG13/796  f.13  p.17  Staplegate, Kent  (Blean RD)
4 Staplegate Place

WEBB
Annie    Head    Mar    38    Charwoman     
Emily    Daur    19
Alfred     Son    14
Kate    Daur    10
Edith    Daur     4
Alice    Daur     3
Willie     Son    9m all dittoed from top of page as Canterbury




More children's births

Caroline Susannah WEBB    Mar Q 1904    Bridge    2a  955
mmn:  FASSOM 

Baptism
07 Aug 1904
St Gregory, Canterbury, Kent
Caroline Susanna WEBB
Father:  Edward John
Mother:  Annie Eliza


Matilda Jane WEBB    Mar Q 1908    Bridge    2a  994    mmn:  FASSONS   



We can't transcribe the 1911 census here due to copyright but you could look up the family in Littlebourne, Kent.

It says they have had 11 children 9 have survived which would be right if Emily Elizabeth was recorded twice or Alice isn't John and Annie's child.



I've just noticed that James Thomas ATKINS and Emily Elizabeth WEBB have a daughter ATKINS, Katherine M R ATKINS, she marries and is with her mother in 1939 as Kathleen M R (married surname), then her death is registered with yet another spelling, Katharine.



Sorry if this post is quite long but it's amazing how interesting a puzzle can be when you are looking out of the window at pouring rain when you should be out in the garden planting vegetables! 


Regards,
Daisy

[josalee]

Hi,

I think that I might have found the Catherine Mary WEBB that you are looking for although her father is Edward John WEBB but he uses John in the census records. She is born in 1891 so would be fibbing about her age on her marriage certificate and the passenger list but she changes her DOB between these two so she might just be aging slowly




Marriage:  1917    age:  24   born 1892/1893
List:          1923    age:  28    born  1894/95
so 6 years later she's only aged 4 years




The reason that I think this is a likely candidate for your Catherine Mary is that her sister Emily Elizabeth WEBB married a James ATKINS,

Emily Elizabeth WEBB    Dec Q 1904    Canterbury    2a  1915
James Thomas ATKINS


James Thomas ATKINS WW1 pension records at Ancestry show his "Military History Sheet", this shows that his children were born in both Kent and Selby, Yorkshire. His address when he was transferred to the Army Reserve on 14 April 1919 was 40 Old Dover Rd Canterbury, (this has then been crossed out and a note that matches his later address has been added) when he was discharged on 31 March 1920 his address was 250 Barlby Rd, Selby, Yorks.

If the  "younger brother in Selby in 1921 under the surname WEBB"  found by Debra is correct Catherine might have been in Selby to have her child staying with or near her sister Emily.

The address on the emigration passenger list, 2 Roff Yard, James Street, Selby, is only 0.5 miles from 250 Barlby Road.



This Catherine also has a sister Alice that could be her marriage witness, and a brother called Alfred John which might have caused the marriage certificate name addition, if it was done later someone might have confused the name.




Marriage
Edward John WEBB    Jun Q 1882    Canterbury    2a  1238
Annie Eliza FASSOM


Children's births

Amelia Prebble WEBB    Dec Q 1882    Canterbury    2a  803
mmn:  FASSOM     


Emily Elizabeth WEBB    Sep Q 1882    Bridge    2a  785   
mmn:  FASSOM   
(I can't find this one in census or death records)


Emily Elizabeth WEBB    Jun Q 1884    Bridge    2a  796       
mmn:  FASSOM   


Alfred John WEBB    Mar Q 1887    Elham    2a  1006 
mmn:  FASSON   


Annie Louisa WEBB    Jun Q 1889    Elham    2a  1003 
mmn:  FASSOM   

Baptism
07 Apr 1889
St Peter, Folkestone, Kent
Annie Louisa WEBB
Father:  Edward John
Mother:  Annie



Catherine Mary WEBB    Mar Q 1891    Elham    2a  1032    
mmn:  FASSON   




1891  RG12/50  f.82  p.84    Folkestone, Kent (Elham R.D.)
28 Young's Rd

WEBB
John    Head    36    General Labourer     
Annie    Wife    28                                   Canterbury Kent
Amelia    Daur     9    Scholar                          "           "
Emily    Daur     7        "                                   "           "
John    Son     4        "                              Folkestone Kent
Annie    Daur     2                                            "           "
Catherine  Daur  3m                                         "           "




More children's births

Edward Charles WEBB    Mar Q 1894    Elham    2a  1034    
mmn:  FASSOM   

Death
Edward Charles WEBB    Jun Q 1894    Elham    2a  551 
Age:  0   
(GRO site says 6, but from previous experience seems unable to distinguish month and years, using years when it should be months)


Edith Ellen WEBB    Sep Q 1896    Elham    2a  1004
mmn:  FASSON   


Alice ?    I can't find a birth for her.


William Henry    Sep Q 1900    Blean    2a  895   
mmn:  FASSOM   




1901  RG13/796  f.13  p.17  Staplegate, Kent  (Blean RD)
4 Staplegate Place

WEBB
Annie    Head    Mar    38    Charwoman     
Emily    Daur    19
Alfred     Son    14
Kate    Daur    10
Edith    Daur     4
Alice    Daur     3
Willie     Son    9m all dittoed from top of page as Canterbury




More children's births

Caroline Susannah WEBB    Mar Q 1904    Bridge    2a  955
mmn:  FASSOM 

Baptism
07 Aug 1904
St Gregory, Canterbury, Kent
Caroline Susanna WEBB
Father:  Edward John
Mother:  Annie Eliza


Matilda Jane WEBB    Mar Q 1908    Bridge    2a  994    mmn:  FASSONS   



We can't transcribe the 1911 census here due to copyright but you could look up the family in Littlebourne, Kent.

It says they have had 11 children 9 have survived which would be right if Emily Elizabeth was recorded twice or Alice isn't John and Annie's child.



I've just noticed that James Thomas ATKINS and Emily Elizabeth WEBB have a daughter ATKINS, Katherine M R ATKINS, she marries and is with her mother in 1939 as Kathleen M R (married surname), then her death is registered with yet another spelling, Katharine.



Sorry if this post is quite long but it's amazing how interesting a puzzle can be when you are looking out of the window at pouring rain when you should be out in the garden planting vegetables! 


Regards,
Daisy

[Daisypetal]

Hi,

Thanks for your PM 


This could be JLM's service records, he is spelling his surname as MCMILLAN. Oh the link to his records seems to time out, put N54808 into the search box to find him.

https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/SearchScreens/BasicSearch.aspx



and this could be his younger brother using the MCMILLAN name rather than WEBB, but his DOB would be a year out, put N271210 into the search box.




I think you can find JLM's marriage in 1942, and his death in 1972 using this site,

http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/Pages/family-history/family-history.aspx

I think you can order the certificates there.


I have sent you a PM about JLM's obituary, because it names possible living people.



I can't see one, but it would be really good if someone could find a marriage or death for Catherine/Katherine/Kathleen MACMILLAN nee WEBB in Australia.



Daisy