Phoebe Alice Newell

[groom]

Pheobe Alice Newell married Harry Evans 3/1902 Crannock 6b 693

Phoebe Alice Newell married either John Thomas or Joseph Westwood Dudley 6c 181

Not sure how far apart these two districts are although both are in Staffordshire, but my point is to do with the spelling of Pheobe/Phoebe.

That other marriage was 1904, so you need to see if you can find that couple in the 1911 census - we are not allowed to do look ups from there. That will tell you her age etc so you can find her in earlier censuses.

[wivenhoe]

"Phoebe Alice Newell............married Harry Evans in Staffordshire on the 31st March 1902.
Witnesses were George Evans (Harry's brother) and Phoebe Alice Newell - who was she?"

And the bride and a witness have the same name?

From the marriage certificate can you give again the name of bride, groom, and two witnesses.

[groom]

"Phoebe Alice Newell............married Harry Evans in Staffordshire on the 31st March 1902.
Witnesses were George Evans (Harry's brother) and Phoebe Alice Newell - who was she?"

And the bride and a witness have the same name?

From the marriage certificate can you give again the name of bride, groom, and two witnesses.

I think that is the problem, the two Phoebe Alice Newells. We need to know whether the witness signed her name, if not it could be a simple mistake when the register was filled in.

[keyboard86]

Hi again I think this family possibly contains Phoebe Alice:-

1901 census

William Alcock 40 Lock Smith
Fanny 39
ALICE 17
Samuel 12
William 6
Sarah 4
All born Bloxwich
Residing at Alfred Street. Walsall
Census ref RG13/2697/90/49

1891 no Alice but William HANCOCK, Phoebe and Samuel in Walsall
RG12/2248/4/1
Keyboard86

EDIT
Marriage 28th February 1891 Blakehall Heath, Christchurch

William Henry Alcock 22 occ Locksmith Father John occ Locksmith
Phoebe Harriet Newell 25 Father Joseph ( Dead)
Witnesses John William Newell and Caroline?  Newell

[osprey]

1891 for Phoebe Alice
42 Station St, Bloxwich RG12/2248 folio 59 pg 7
Sarah Newell head widow 62 b. Stanton, Derbyshire
Thomas G son 22 coal miner
Alice grand dau 7
Charles H Walker boarder 21 coal miner
all born Bloxwich except Sarah

1871 3 Bentley Lane RG10/2958 folio 46 pg 41
Joseph Newill head mar 44 pointsman b. Great Barr
Sarah wife 43 b. Derbyshire, Maston?
Joseph son 18 collier b. West Bromwich
Alice dau 13 servant b. West Brom
Phebie dau 6
John son 2
Thomas son 2
youngest 3 all born Bloxwich.
Birth reg for twins has mother's maiden name of Finney - marriage reg dec qtr 1851 Walsall vol 17 pg 335 Joseph Newell & Sarah Finney on the same page

[MaureeninNY]

 I think the "other" Ph*be Alice NEWELL (who married John THOMAS in 1904) was actually born as Alice NEWELL to Joseph NEWELL and Martha RAYBOULD.
NEWELL, ALICE mmn RAYBOULD     
 1883  M Quarter in WALSALL  Volume 06B  Page 726

Joseph seems to have been the brother of Phoebe Harriet NEWELL.

I could only find two children for John THOMAS and Phoebe Alice:
THOMAS, JOSEPH  mmn NEWELL     
 1905  J Quarter in DUDLEY  Volume 06C  Page 45
 
THOMAS, DORIS  MARTHA     mmn NEWELL     
 1911  J Quarter in DUDLEY  Volume 06C  Page 53


Maureen

[jacquelineve]

The Ph.Alice who married John Thomas is living at Cheshire in 1911 age 28 born Pleck Walsall

They wed at Dudley Reg Office.

Jackie

[aidansrest]

Thanks everyone for your help and interest!
All your discoveries have helped enormously!
Sue