Missing: two sons

[lydiaann]

The family is thus:

George Craven (b. 1786 Wakefield, d. 1878 Birkenhead) and Mary Ogden (b. abt 1784 Wakefield, d. ?).  George and Mary married in 1806.  Their issue (all born in Wakefield):

John, 1806-
George, 1808-
Robert, 1812-1879 (all information readily available on this man)
Mary, 1815-
Eliza, 1818-
Joseph, 1820-
Sarah, 1822-
Ann, 1826-
Septimus, 1828

I know that there is a son missing between John and Robert, more probably between George and Robert, going by the dates of birth.  We have a letter from Robert to his cousin, stating that he is the "fourth son of George [her father's brother]" of Birkenhead, formerly of Wakefield.  I can only find 2 sons prior to Robert.  As there is a Septimus (currently No. 4) son, it makes sense that there should be another somewhere after Robert and possibly after Joseph - again, going by dates of birth and having a 'sensible' portion of time between each child.  Having searched many places for these last links in this particular nuclear family, I am at a loss as to where to proceed from here.  Any ideas, please?

FYI:  We have most of the information on George (the father of this family) and Mary - apart from her date of death (although probably 3Q1851, registered Nantwich).

[rosie99]

FYI:  We have most of the information on George (the father of this family) and Mary - apart from her date of death (although probably 3Q1851, registered Nantwich).

GRO index
CRAVEN, MARY       age 24     
1851  Sept Quarter in NANTWICH  Volume 19  Page 115

[avm228]

Not answering your question, but I see you have a Sarah b 1822.

Should she not be Ann born 26.09.1822, baptised (together with Joseph) at Salem Chapel 30.10.1822, buried Salem Chapel 01.10.1823?

[Kay99]

Also not answering your question but the GRO Index does have the following possible death for Mary that might be worth looking into
MARY  CRAVEN   Age 82   
GRO Ref  Sept  Qrtr 1865  BIRKENHEAD  Vol 08A  Page 275

Kay

[avm228]

Perhaps the second "Ann", born 5 Oct 1826 and baptised at Salem Chapel on 25 Dec 1826, was known as Sarah?  Sarah Craven is recorded as aged 25 in the 1841 census.

[avm228]

Also not answering your question but the GRO Index does have the following possible death for Mary that might be worth looking into
MARY  CRAVEN   Age 82   
GRO Ref  Sept  Qrtr 1865  BIRKENHEAD  Vol 08A  Page 275

Yes, Mary Craven is alive in 1861 (78 b Wakefield) and in the household of her son Robert b 1812 (enumerated in North Meols, Lancs).

RG 9/2762/101/32

[lydiaann]

Some research needed on your answers - for which many, many thanks.  Yes, there is definitely an Ann baptized same day as Joseph.  Indeed, the Non-conformist register shows her above the baptism for Joseph and Mary, her mother, is recorded as being 'formerly Ogden' so that's correct.  I am beginning to think that the Sarah does not belong here.  My problem is that the Craven family is so big around Wakefield that Sarah could possibly belong to another member of the extended family.  So, I am going to substitute Sarah with Ann.  I see you have noted her death, avm, almost exactly a year after she was born (one year and 5 days to be precise) so two Anns makes sense here.

Still no further on the 2 boys though...however, if I keep picking at it, I am sure I shall get there.

Oh, by the way, many thanks for pointing out the 1861census in regard to Mary (Ogden), Kay.  Funnily enough, I had that under Robert but had obviously neglected to post his mum's details onto her Profile...obviously your eyes are sharper than mine! 

I'll let you know what I find.  Thanks again, friends.

lydiaann