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Brian(Bryan)O'Mahoney(mahoney, Mahony)born1847 Oola, Limerick.
« on: Friday 12 May 17 22:14 BST (UK) »
Hi im looking into this person from a previous post about his sister (catherine/Kate),
from other trees from possible family members in NZ, they have him married to Ellen Twoomey(Twomey,Toomey) with 3 children Winnie, Micheal,and Jack,
but i can find no marriage to Ellen or Births of theses children,I have looked on Ancestry,Family search site,Roots Ireland site.
I have however found a birth for Brian on Roots Ireland site,(that has also given me a possible maiden name,(margaret Carroll, although i cant find this marriage either) for his mother if i have the correct parents,)also i have a marriage for Brian to Mary Mahony
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6 Feb 1872 MURROE & BOHER
Witness 1 Name: James Hammond, Witness 2 Kate Mahony, Roman Catholic. Brian Mahony Mary Mahony Address: Meentoola Denomination: Roman Catholic
Mary Mahony(1851) also from Roots Ireland,
they apparently had 9/10 children.
I do have census for Ireland 1901 and 1911 with this wife and some of the children
If anyone could possibly confirm i have got this right i would really appreciate it,
I have however kept a note of the original possible wife and 3 children in case they are correct and these new people are wrong.
any help greatly appreciated
Debbie
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Re: Brian(Bryan)O'Mahoney(mahoney, Mahony)born1847 Oola, Limerick.
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 13 May 17 11:43 BST (UK) »
Hi,
I found Bridget b 1874 and Denis b 1875 both in Murroe.
Was there a William and a James?
The problem you have is Murroe, Oola and Boher registers could be in Tipperary Town so would come under County Tipperary.
Best thing to do is to work backwards from what you have in actual documents.
You will get correct results then.
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Re: Brian(Bryan)O'Mahoney(mahoney, Mahony)born1847 Oola, Limerick.
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 13 May 17 19:02 BST (UK) »
Hi Maggsie,
many thanks for getting back to me,
I have no Brigit for Brian and Mary Mahoney, but i do have a Bridget born to who i thinks are  Kate/Brians parents:
Baptism(Rootsireland)
27 July 1848 SOLOHEAD & OOLA,Co.Limerick.
Name: Bridget Mahony, Date of Baptism: 27-Jul-1848,Address: Gortaclareen, Denomination: Roman Catholic,Father: John Mahony,Mother: Margaret Carroll, Informant 1: Js Carroll. Informant 2: Mgt Moloney

From Rootsireland site I do have a son to a Brian and Mary Mahony, James:Baptism
5 March 1880 Murroe, Boher and Abington, Limerick and Tipperary, Ireland
James Mahony, Date of Baptism: 05-Mar-1880 Address: Meentolla,Parish/District: MURROE & BOHER ,Co. Limerick,Denomination: Roman Catholic,Father: Bryan Mahony, Mother: Mary Mahony, Sponsor:Hugh O'Gorman,Sponsor 2:Mary O'Gorman (as you can see his parents are hopefully my Brian, differently spelt Bryan Mahony and wife as Mary Mahony , i have found this marriage, but people in family in NZ have Brian married to Ellen Twoomey. so hence my problem, i dont have a marriage to Ellen nor can i find any.

I have no Denis  or William either.

I do however have a James to Brian and Mary Mahony: Baptism
5 March 1880 Murroe, Boher and Abington, Limerick and Tipperary, Ireland.
James Mahony, Date of Baptism: 05-Mar-1880 Address: Meentolla,Parish/District: MURROE & BOHER ,Co. Limerick,Denomination: Roman Catholic,Father: Bryan Mahony, Mother: Mary Mahony, Sponsor:Hugh O'Gorman,Sponsor 2:Mary O'Gorman.
 
Unfortunately like i said in previous post i have so may name spelling variants and all the names are common in ireland i dont know how to work out whos who and where they all belong,or if they belong to my tree,and with Limerick and Tipperary overlapping in records that only makes it harder to define.
You say work back from actual documents, i only  have the documents that are on the ancestry websites so i have no way of knowing if any are correct,as with all spellings and sometime it says Oola Tipperary sometimes its Limerick,
 as i cant find Bryan/kate's parents marriage details, My tree starts from Catherine(Kate the person who originally married into my family, i have all her details correct)  i do however have a births for both Kates/Bryans  parents if they are also correct as per these records of baptisms.
many thanks once again
Debbie


Barnes,Driffill,Altoft,Thompson,Metcalfe,Owbridge,
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Re: Brian(Bryan)O'Mahoney(mahoney, Mahony)born1847 Oola, Limerick.
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 13 May 17 20:30 BST (UK) »
What are the birth dates for Winnie, Michael and Jack and their parent's marriage on the other tree?

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Re: Brian(Bryan)O'Mahoney(mahoney, Mahony)born1847 Oola, Limerick.
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 15 June 17 14:46 BST (UK) »
If you are researching O'Briens and Mahoneys, you should definitely consider testing male descendants of these lines via YDNA YSTR tests at FTDNA. The project, R-L226, is one of the three known Irish dominated haplogroups (people who descend from on YSNP mutation such as R-L226). Our project now has over 530 testers at 67 markers. For those with known ties to Ireland to a particular county, 80 % are from Tipperrary, Clare, Cork Kerry and Limerick. The surnames are dominated by Dal Cais surnames as well. The royal title holder of the O'Brien surname, Sir Conor O'Brien, has tested and belongs to the L226 project - so we can now determine which O'Briens are direct descendants of King Brian Boru (the source of the original O'Brien surname).

The dominant surname in R-L226 is O'Briens and the many spelling variations. There are now 54 testers at 67 markers that are O'Brien variants (many of the American descendants have changed their surname to Bryant or Bryan) but are definitely Irish from Munster. There are also 12 Mahoneys at 67 markers as well. Due the the extensive YDNA testing, we can now chart 80 % of testers at 67 markers to show exactly how they are related to each other. Here is a chart of the R-L226 testers to date:

http://www.rcasey.net/DNA/R_L226/Haplotrees/L226_Home.pdf

Once you determine where you belong on the chart above, the FTDNA system allows you to contact your closer matches and exchange traditional genealogical research. Each FTDNA project has its own forum for not only questions about YDNA testing options - but is also a very active forum for early Irish surname research as well. Here is a link to the O'Brien (now having 580 members):

https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/obrien/about
Casey - Tipperary or Clare, Ireland
Kelly - Ireland
Brooks, Bryan, Shelton (2), Harper, Williamson - England
Tucker, Arrington, Stevenson, Shears, Jarvis - England
Hill (2), Reed, Olliff, Jackson, Potter, Cruse, Charlton - England
Davis. Martin, Ellison, Woodward, Alderson - England
Pace - Shropshire, England
Revier - Netherlands
Messer - Germany
Wininger - Switzerland