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Can anyone help transcribe this awful 17th Century record?
« on: Monday 15 May 17 11:14 BST (UK) »
Hi,

I am having terrible trouble with decyphering the attached marriage record for 23rd March 1644/45 for St. James with Pockthorpe Norwich Norfolk. The record is of the marriage of Thomas Peade to Mary ???. I seem to make out letters that spell Thor____h but cannot make sense of it. Can anyone help please?
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Re: Can anyone help transcribe this awful 17th Century record?
« Reply #1 on: Monday 15 May 17 11:41 BST (UK) »
It looks like either "Thornek" or "Thor?ch", but I'm sure one of our resident experts will be able to identify it. Does the name occur elsewhere in the register?

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Re: Can anyone help transcribe this awful 17th Century record?
« Reply #2 on: Monday 15 May 17 12:39 BST (UK) »
Mary's name looks like Thornich.

But I believe Thomas' name is Reade, not Peade. The downstroke is crossed through horizontally, to give R. Compare various examples of Richard and Robert on the same page.

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Re: Can anyone help transcribe this awful 17th Century record?
« Reply #3 on: Monday 15 May 17 14:24 BST (UK) »
Find My Past have Mary's surname as THORNELY and Thomas is down as READE.

I agree the original is very difficult to read!
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Re: Can anyone help transcribe this awful 17th Century record?
« Reply #4 on: Monday 15 May 17 22:40 BST (UK) »
Actually I can see a case for both Thornich and Thornely.
As you say, it's the last three letters that are not clear.

You can see it has a capital 'T', then the  usual 'h' which goes below the line; a blotchy 'o'; then the  classic 'r' of this hand, which to us looks like a little 'w'; and then an 'n'.

In Thornich,  the next letter could be an 'i' - it has no dot, but there are other 'i's without a dot ; then the classic 'c' in this hand, which to us looks like an 'r'; and finally another 'h', although I think this is unlike his other 'h's somewhat.

In Thornely, the next letter could be a very 'open' 'e' - 'e's were written with a backward loop in this hand - see above this in the Elizabeth of Elizabeth Clark for another open 'e'. This would use up what was the 'i' and 'c' in Thornich; but here there would be then an 'l' and a final 'y' - several of his 'y's lose their top part - see how he has written 'maryed', and he has joined it onto the 'l' beforehand.

Difficult.
Perhaps you would be best to search both names to see if you can make a decision.
But then if you are looking for Thomas Peade, and this is actually Thomas Reade, as Bookbox says, perhaps this is all a red herring anyway!  :)
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Re: Can anyone help transcribe this awful 17th Century record?
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 16 May 17 10:42 BST (UK) »
Many thanks to you all.

I have looked at the page again and feel you are all right. This Thomas is Reade not Peade. Looking at the 1645 marriage of Edward Prin____ its obviously a P and differs radically from the Thomas record. Looking at the 1646 marriage record for Edmond Raydon the R is exactly the same as the Thomas record.
It all goes to show that you have to compare when dealing with 17th century handwriting. I will therefor now close this enquiry.
John