Author Topic: illegible to me last will of Alexander Whyte of Kirkcaldy  (Read 3287 times)

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Re: illegible to me last will of Alexander Whyte of Kirkcaldy
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 18 May 17 11:04 BST (UK) »
Realised reading your transcript I missed out a word -

'the goods gere sowmes of money........'

gere = gear

will look at the rest

Added; 'within the paroch in [   ]
and Shrefdome of fyf'

ie the Sherrifdom of Fife.

...'the tyme of his deceise
quha deceist in the moneth of ? last by past
1683 years failfulled maid and given up'

I think it's 'quhe' - some form of that word - see this link for innumerable ways to spell it!
Meaning 'who deceased'
http://www.dsl.ac.uk/entry/dost/quha
(This is a great site for all those particularly odd scottish terms).
http://www.dsl.ac.uk/entry/dost/moneth_n_1

The Capital I suspect gives the month. More pondering!

I suspect the 'failefulled' is 'fullfilled'.

'Alexr Quhyte xxxx exe(cuto)r dative

........... "Johne
Alexr pro(curato)r fiscall of the Shrefdome of fyf

Added;
That bit after 'paroch' has been bothering me.
paroch = parish.
I think it is 'within the parochin yrof" - ie, within Kirkcaldy
yrof = thereof
He seems to be using the common abbreviation for th - the thorn for 'y', even though he uses it differently when writing 'the'. Just to confuse us!
See here for a million and one ways to write 'parish'!
http://www.dsl.ac.uk/entry/dost/parochin


Lane, Burgess: Cheshire. Finney, Rogers, Gilman:Derbys
Cochran, Nicol, Paton, Bruce:Scotland. Bertolle:London
Bainbridge, Christman, Jeffs: Staffs

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Re: illegible to me last will of Alexander Whyte of Kirkcaldy
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 18 May 17 22:06 BST (UK) »
It looks like the 3 little words added to the end of the first line are
'ad hunc effects' - I see you have this 'ad hunc' further on too.

'ad hunc' = now, at this day
Lane, Burgess: Cheshire. Finney, Rogers, Gilman:Derbys
Cochran, Nicol, Paton, Bruce:Scotland. Bertolle:London
Bainbridge, Christman, Jeffs: Staffs

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Re: illegible to me last will of Alexander Whyte of Kirkcaldy
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 18 May 17 23:44 BST (UK) »
Thanks again!
I will look at this more extensively tomorrow. :)
WHYTE (QUHYTE) - Kirkcaldy (17-18th cent.)

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Re: illegible to me last will of Alexander Whyte of Kirkcaldy
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 18 May 17 23:51 BST (UK) »
The phrase is ... ad hunc effect(um) = to this effect.


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Re: illegible to me last will of Alexander Whyte of Kirkcaldy
« Reply #13 on: Friday 19 May 17 05:08 BST (UK) »
Glad you picked up the Latin Bookbox!
I thought you would know.  :)

Any idea of what the symbol for the month is?
 ...... and I'm not sure it is 'last by past' - that 'l' looks more like a 't'.
You'd think from the context that the sentence is giving when he died.
Lane, Burgess: Cheshire. Finney, Rogers, Gilman:Derbys
Cochran, Nicol, Paton, Bruce:Scotland. Bertolle:London
Bainbridge, Christman, Jeffs: Staffs

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Re: illegible to me last will of Alexander Whyte of Kirkcaldy
« Reply #14 on: Friday 19 May 17 08:46 BST (UK) »
Any idea of what the symbol for the month is?
 ...... and I'm not sure it is 'last by past' - that 'l' looks more like a 't'.
You'd think from the context that the sentence is giving when he died.
I think it's  lastly past. Maybe the month wasn't known at the time of writing but the standard wording was entered regardless? Perhaps GR2 will come back on that.

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Re: illegible to me last will of Alexander Whyte of Kirkcaldy
« Reply #15 on: Friday 19 May 17 10:45 BST (UK) »
I've had a shot at the rest of it Robert as nobody else seems to have had a go!
Not great, but I think you can get the gist of it.

Hopefully team work might pick up the missing bits.


efter dew c(onsideration?) be publitzed  [   ]
of all partties havand entered as law
will and none others compere and to
all exts the said office for p[  ] of pey(men)t
and satesfactionn to the said aliesone quhyte
of the sowme of two thousand marks

Scots money provyd  [   ] to hir be the said
defunct [   ] to the (con)tract of mariage
past beling therein of the daitt the eighten
day of may 1644 yeares and for

payment of the expenses of his present
[        ] In swa far as the samen
will extend Be decreit of the shreft
and commissar of fyff of the daitt 8 (?) of day of
January 1654 yeir
s

It(em) the firsr the said defunct had the goods gere and debts
of the avoulls and prytes following pertening to him the
tyme of his deceise foirsaid To witt ane sixteen part of
the good schip callit the James of Kirkcaldy (grof the said
defunct was skipper and [  ] under [   ]) estimat to the
sowme of Liij l 4 s 8 d Item the defuncts pairt

Second image:

of the loading of timber brought home be him
in the said schip from norroway and sauld at mon
estimate to xlvij l xv s Itme the in
of his duelling hou(s)e  [     ] and   with the
almbraments of his body estimat to xl l

Summa of the inventare j  xL l xxj s 8d
grof there is no division


I think the symbol after the first ‘j’ in the total may be one for a thousand.

compere = appear
be = by
hir = her
beling = bearing?
duelling = dwelling
http://www.dsl.ac.uk/entry/dost/decrete_n






Lane, Burgess: Cheshire. Finney, Rogers, Gilman:Derbys
Cochran, Nicol, Paton, Bruce:Scotland. Bertolle:London
Bainbridge, Christman, Jeffs: Staffs

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Re: illegible to me last will of Alexander Whyte of Kirkcaldy
« Reply #16 on: Friday 19 May 17 12:51 BST (UK) »
A couple of thoughts to add to goldie's transcription:

In the line after the mention of the marriage contract, I think it is:

...past betwixt ym of the daitt...               [ym = them]

However it does seem to be one vertical stroke short.

In the previous line, after defunct I think the word may be conforme.

However, the syntax isn't quite right.

It may also be conformant or similar further down in the phrase about the expenses.

ADDED:

Looking at duelling = dwelling on the second image, maybe it is betuixt = betwixt.

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Re: illegible to me last will of Alexander Whyte of Kirkcaldy
« Reply #17 on: Friday 19 May 17 12:58 BST (UK) »
Might it be:

...accept the said office for pairt of peyt...