Mensforth and Laurence (Lawrence)

[judb]

In 1851 at Dudley St, Wednesbury
William BAILEY   32, Iron Moulder, b Wednesbury
Elizabeth BAILEY   28, b Wednesbury
Esther BAILEY   15 months, b Wednesbury
James BAILEY   10 Wks, b Wednesbury
Martha Bradley   14 - servant
Ann Kay?   66, visitor?

1861 - Similar entry but now in Russell St, Wednesbury.  William's occupation is Railway tyre bender?

Elizabeth (Esther's mother) must be using her maiden name by 1871; listed with surname BAILEY in 1851 and 1861.  I can't see a marriage for William and Elizabeth.

Judith

[judb]

Marriage:
3 February 1839 at the parish church, St Peter,  Liverpool by banns
Edward MENSFORTH, full age, bachelor, blacksmith, father: John MENSFORTH, shipwright
Ellen BOARDMAN, full age, spinster, father: William BOARDMAN, labourer
Edward signs, Ellen makes a cross
Both give address as Norfolk ST.
Witnesses: James PARRY, Margaret CORRAN.

Judith

[CHERAN]

In 1851 at Dudley St, Wednesbury
William BAILEY   32, Iron Moulder, b Wednesbury
Elizabeth BAILEY   28, b Wednesbury
Esther BAILEY   15 months, b Wednesbury
James BAILEY   10 Wks, b Wednesbury
Martha Bradley   14 - servant
Ann Kay?   66, visitor?

1861 - Similar entry but now in Russell St, Wednesbury.  William's occupation is Railway tyre bender?

Elizabeth (Esther's mother) must be using her maiden name by 1871; listed with surname BAILEY in 1851 and 1861.  I can't see a marriage for William and Elizabeth.

Judith

Sorry Judith  i think i now am mixing up Elizabeth and Ellen   so is the 1871 census  is Edward & Elizabeth  (nee bailey) with Elizabeth  Powell?   

[CHERAN]

Thanks for Edward and Ellen marriage   fantastic find☆☆☆☆☆

[CHERAN]

Thanks for Edward and Ellen marriage   fantastic find☆☆☆☆☆

On the Gro index Esther Bailey's mother's maiden name is recorded as Slade

Free BDM has a marriage for William Bailey =  W. Bromich  1849 and on the same page Stead Elizabeth and Steaid  Elizabeth
 
 Vol  18  page 613

I wonder if Elizabeth remarried to a Powell?

[judb]

These are only possibles as there is only circumstantial information

There is a burial for a William BAILEY, aged 45, of Wednesbury at Wednesbury 3 April 1864. The age fits with William's given age of 42 in the 1861 census.

I stress that this one is only a possibility and you would need a certificate  - there is a marriage registered Walsall, Sep qr 1867 for an Elizabeth BAILEY and on the same page there are 2 men, one of which is a William POWELL, but it's not clear which of these men this Elizabeth Bailey married.  Walsall is only about 4 miles from Wednesbury.

Judith

[CHERAN]

Thanks Judith   

[JenClark]

Hi Cheran,

Thanks for your PM, I will reply to that soon....but just wanted to say that yes Esther Mensforth (nee Bailey's) mother Elizabeth's maiden name was Slade. After her first husband William Bailey passed away in 1864 as below, she remarried a man named William Powell in 1867. Hence in the 1871 census she is named Powell.

Burial of father:
County   Staffordshire
Place   Wednesbury
Church   St, Bartholomew
RegisterNumber   718
BurialDate   03 Aug 1864
Forename   William
Surname   BAILEY
Age   45yrs
Abode   Wednesbury

Mother's remarriage:
Name:    Elizabeth Slade Bailey
Gender:    Female
Father's name:    Thomas Slade
Spouse's Name:    William Powell
Spouse's Father's Name:    Richmond Powell
Marriage Date:    1 Jul 1867
Marriage Place:    Walsall, Staffordshire, England

1871 census - 36 Russell Street, Wednesbury, Staffordshire

Elizabeth Powell Head W 48yrs Grocer b. Wednesbury Stafford
Edward Mensforth Son-in-law M 23yrs Turner (unemployed) b. Liverpool Lancashire
Esther Mensforth Dau M 21yrs b. Wednesbury Stafford
Elizabeth Mensforth GDau U 3yrs Scholar b. Wednesbury Stafford
Joseph Mensforth GSon U 1yr b. Wednesbury Stafford
Emma Flard? Neice U 15yrs General Servant b. Wednesbury Stafford


William Bailey & Elizabeth Slade had 3 children that I know of including Esther. The info off Esther's birth certificate is below:

Esther Bailey - Birth Cert
Born on 16th December 1849 at Union (?) Street, Wednesbury, District of West Bromwich in the County of Stafford.
Father - William Bailey
Mother - Elizabeth Bailey formerly Slade
Registered by father on 18th January 1850.

She had two siblings, James (1851-1854) and John (1853).

I descend from Edward Mensforth (1847-1930)'s sister Martha Mensforth (1851-1927). You can see her in the census you have. She married and had her children in England, then emigrated to Queensland in 1887. She settled in Ipswich. Edward and Martha had only one other surviving sibling. (Their parents Edward Mensforth & Ellen Boardman had 8 children, but 5 died in infancy). Their surviving sibling was John Mensforth (1841-1900) who emigrated to Queensland in 1874. He also settled in Ipswich.

I hope this helps clear things up a bit 

Jenny

[JenClark]

Also I am presuming you are aware that both Edward Mensforth (1847-1930) and his brother John Mensforth (1841-1900) worked for the railways, Edward in SA and John in Qld.

Chronicle (Adelaide, SA) Thursday 14 August 1930
MENSFORTH - On the 9th August, Edward Mensforth, late of S.A.R., and Philip street, City, beloved husband of the late Esther Mensforth, aged 82 years. Leaving two sons, two daughters, 38 grandchildren, and 39 great-grandchildren. At rest.

The Register News Pictorial (Adelaide) - 13 Aug 1930 page 4
Pioneers Pass On
Mr. Edward Mensforth, 82, of Phillip street, Adelaide (colonist of 54 years; 40 years in S.A. railways service). 

Jenny