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Re: Help please Royal Navy Chief Petty Officer
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 24 May 17 17:04 BST (UK) »
Progress, thanks to a little confirmatory help from a friend!

The clues to his trade are hidden in the hieroglyphics under the heading Rating in the non-substantive box.  In turn these are GL 2 - Gun Layer second class and SG - Seaman Gunner.  The dates make it clear that GL2 refers to his earlier qualification in 1923 which is on his other 1915-1928 record.

This means that he was a Seaman with the specialty/trade of gunnery and thus took his place on whatever gun(s) the vessel he was serving on was equipped with. 

That said, the more I look at the record, the more I realise that my expertise (if that is what it is!) is far more suited to army records and it would be sensible for me to admit that it would be best to defer to folk with more detailed knowledge of the vagaries of the Royal Navy and of their records.

Apart from Regorian, nobody else has rocked up to translate the record which may suggest you would be better placing it on a more specialist forum.  I still have some information pending, I hope, but meanwhile I shall send you a PM with some thoughts.

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Re: Help please Royal Navy Chief Petty Officer
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 24 May 17 20:38 BST (UK) »
Hi Max,

Just seen the post - I will take a look at the record.

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Re: Help please Royal Navy Chief Petty Officer
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 24 May 17 20:43 BST (UK) »
Roger, thanks muchly.

Pam - here's an expert!

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I am Zoe Northeast, granddaughter of Maximilian Double.
 
It is with great difficulty I share with you that in the early hours of 07 August 2021, Maximilian passed away unexpectedly but peacefully.

With deep sadness,
Zoe



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Re: Help please Royal Navy Chief Petty Officer
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 24 May 17 21:13 BST (UK) »
Thanks Hugh
Your help is much appreciated.
Max, thanks also for your help too.
Pam


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Re: Help please Royal Navy Chief Petty Officer
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 25 May 17 19:24 BST (UK) »
Hi Pam,

A quick update although I am strapped for time at the moment so not able to give it my full attention.

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He then moved onto the HMS Ariguani 16 Aug 42 - 31 Jan 43.
Passage 1 Feb 43 - 26 Mar 43 (I don't know why that took so long)

HMS ARIGUANI was badly damaged by torpedo in Oct 1941 and towed to Gibraltar where she was decommissioned and transferred to the MOWT and laid up in Gibraltar, later temp repairs were done and she was towed back to the Clyde so I guess he was aboard for the passage back to UK. [Source U-boat.net.]

I would suggest that RNSP relates to him rejoining the service as a Royal Navy Service Pensioner in 1938/9. I would also suggest that RFSP relates to the same thing and possibly even a typo.

Max has done a pretty good job of explaining some of the other things on his record. The record looks pretty normal to me. RN records are quite difficult to interpret due to the fact that shore accounting bases appear on lots of occasions. It is usual to see an actual seagoing draft mentioned in brackets next to the accounting base or base ship. I have also seen this written the other way around too. I also note he served aboard the China Station gunboat's HMS BEE and HMS GANNET [not to be confused with the shore base of the same name].

Any questions please feel free to ask - I will help if I can.

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Re: Help please Royal Navy Chief Petty Officer
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 25 May 17 20:13 BST (UK) »
Teeny bit of clarification if I dare!  The HMS Gannet on the China Station Hugh refers to is the 1938 one on his record.  By coincidence, he later, as on your typed list, served in 1943/44 on HMS Gannet. the Fleet Air Arm station in Northern Ireland that had been RAF Eglinton.

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I am Zoe Northeast, granddaughter of Maximilian Double.
 
It is with great difficulty I share with you that in the early hours of 07 August 2021, Maximilian passed away unexpectedly but peacefully.

With deep sadness,
Zoe



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Sokser/Klingler Austria/Croatia

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Re: Help please Royal Navy Chief Petty Officer
« Reply #15 on: Friday 26 May 17 13:12 BST (UK) »
Hugh
Thanks for your input. At present I have a couple of questions and then I am going to go away and start at the beginning of this chaps service in 1915 and work through it so maybe I will hit you with some questions as I work my way through the ships etc.
I wanted to check the entries where there are names in brackets and confirm the first name is definitely the accounting base.
1. Colombo (Carlisle)
2. Flora (Yehonala)

After 12 Sept 1938 in the rating and discharge column he goes back to  AB(Pens) 6years , then LDG Smn 3yrs (Pens) and so on. Can you tell me the reasoning for this as he goes back up to CPO in Aug 1939 and stays at that rank until 1945?? Does it mean he has to start again as he has been pensioned?

In the engagements section he has Commencement of Time- 12 Sept 38 and then 1 Aug 39 with N.C.S with differing dates. What does the abbreviation stand for, if you know. Is it something to do with continuous service???

Can you recommend a good website to research the various ships. I am going to reserve some books through the library but the internet is very easy. I have found www.naval-history.net.

I am going to attach the extracted records from the Payment and Victual ledgers so anyone can see what it looks like. I will also attach his previous service record from 1915 -1928 so any one else can comment if they want.
Max thanks for your help too

Pam

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Re: Help please Royal Navy Chief Petty Officer
« Reply #16 on: Friday 26 May 17 13:13 BST (UK) »
Here is the 2nd
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Re: Help please Royal Navy Chief Petty Officer
« Reply #17 on: Friday 26 May 17 14:04 BST (UK) »
Pam,

Both HMS COLOMBO and HMS CARLISLE were in reserve at the time and I suspect he was administered from HMS COLOMBO but was aboard HMS CARLISLE.
HMS FLORA was the RN base at Invergordon. YEHONALDA appears to have been seagoing but not much I can see on her – some kind of yacht at Aultbea according to Naval History.net
NCS = Non-Continious Service.

I suspect, although I am not sure, that he re-joined at the lower rate probably until the completion of a course.

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Hugh

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