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Offline Jagoman

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Sydney Cecil Geering 2nd Lieut
« on: Sunday 21 May 17 09:31 BST (UK) »
Hi

Can anybody help with the location of Touroucourt which is where Sydney died on 3 May 1918 from wounds.  His Mothers grave has the location as Touroucourt and the Hertford Mecury 17 Aug 1918 has the location as Field Hospital Touroucourt. He is buried at Hangard Communal Cemetery Extension.  I have been unable to find the location of Touroucourt.

Many thanks

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Re: Sydney Cecil Geering 2nd Lieut
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 21 May 17 09:45 BST (UK) »
His service record is at the National Archives - perhaps some clues there ?

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C696927
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Re: Sydney Cecil Geering 2nd Lieut
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 21 May 17 10:23 BST (UK) »
The Department de la Somme Picarde, France takes care of the graves.

Research Battle of the Somme, or London Regiment WWI diaries for the answer.

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Re: Sydney Cecil Geering 2nd Lieut
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 21 May 17 10:32 BST (UK) »
Could this be your man??  I just put his full name into the search box on the link below.

Sydney Cecil Geering

From

http://www.gravestonephotos.com/search/search.php

Search results in forename order
number   forenames   surname   birth   age   death   relationship   cemetery   location   area   country   grave id
1   
Sydney Cecil
Geering
1891   27   1918   son of Julia Hannah Geering   Corporation   Hereford   Herefordshire   England   181197


Hope so!! 👍
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Re: Sydney Cecil Geering 2nd Lieut
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 21 May 17 10:36 BST (UK) »
Hi jaybelnz

Yes that's the one with his details recorded on his Mothers Grave.

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Re: Sydney Cecil Geering 2nd Lieut
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 21 May 17 11:02 BST (UK) »
Ahh!  Oops - I thought that meant they were both in the same grave.

However, I've had another fossick around and found some more detail about him on the link below, not a burial, although maybe you could contact the owner! 

http://w-f-t.co.uk/tree/getperson.php?personID=I41570&tree=wft

  ;D. Now I'll bet you'll tell me that you're the owner of that particular entry!   ;D ;D

Try this one!   Your work again I suspect!

Notes From the Commonwealth War Graves Commission web site:
(http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=253453)

Casualty Details

Name: GEERING, SYDNEY CECIL
Initials: S C
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Second Lieutenant
Regiment/Service: London Regiment (Royal Fusiliers)
Unit Text: 4th Bn.
Age: 27
Date of Death: 03/05/1918
Additional information: Husband of Elizabeth B. Geering, of 18, Currie Street, Hertford.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: III. AA. 4.
Cemetery: HANGARD COMMUNAL CEMETERY EXTENSION
(http://www.cwgc.org/search/cemetery_details.aspx?cemetery=24801&mode=1)

Modified to add - are you sure you're looking for Touroucourt?? 

http://www.ww1cemeteries.com/toutencourt-communal-cemetery.html

I'd better head off to bed p, before I give you a headache!   ;D ;D
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Re: Sydney Cecil Geering 2nd Lieut
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 21 May 17 11:30 BST (UK) »
Touroucourt does not seem to appear in the list of hospitals or CCSs and the details of burials at Hangard Cemetery does not include the name among the list of places from which remains were relocated.  I haven't been able to locate it on a map so I wonder if it has been garbled at the time?  (The area is littered with villages ending in...court!)

Although he is buried in Hangard, Toutencourt as perhaps a temporary location of a medical facility makes a lot of sense.  According to the war diary the battalion was in the Tilloy/Dainville area  south and west of Arras in April/May although I have not yet found a record of him being wounded and Toutencourt is about the right distance rearwards for a medical facility. 

It may be that someone may be able to pinpoint a hospital in the 56 Division area that adds up?

I would support ShaunJ's suggestion that his record may hold a better clue.

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Re: Sydney Cecil Geering 2nd Lieut
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 21 May 17 13:15 BST (UK) »
I've always found Military Records to be really useful!  I don't know how much they cost in other countries, but here in NZ, if you request a copy of a single military service file within a 12-month period the copy will be provided free of charge.

If you request copies of more than one military service file within a 12-month period the first file will be provided free but the second and subsequent files will be charged at the rate of $28 per file.

After I got my first one, re my Dad,  I was so amazed how much info was in it, I ordered another one recently to find out where my Uncle had been when he was taken as a prisoner of war, and where he had been "Imprisoned".  Still waiting for that one to arrive.

But my point is, loads of info in them. 
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DUNNELL,  England
PAULSON,  England
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WALKER,   Scotland
WATSON,  England, Ayrshire, Scotland, NZ
McAUGHTRIE, Ayrshire, Scotland, NZ
MASON,     Scotland, England, NZ
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Re: Sydney Cecil Geering 2nd Lieut
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 21 May 17 13:50 BST (UK) »
Hi jaybelnz & maxD

I think you have found the location with Toutencourt. The newspaper and his Mother's Grave must have the wrong spelling, miss type or lost in translation.  The location is about right just outside Amiens. I will do little more research with his service record.

Many thanks

Jagoman
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