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Matilda Barnard birth about 1849 London, England
« on: Monday 22 May 17 19:10 BST (UK) »
Looking for Matilda Barnard from London, England

We find a birth in Oct-Nov-Dec 1848 birth index but the detail does not confirm this is our person

Parents were



David Andrew Barnard 1823–1889
 

Elizabeth Jones 1824–?

We know she had the following siblings


Lucy Caroline Barnard 1847–1904 Passed Bethnal Green, London
   

David John Barnard 1850–1931 Passed in Canada
   
William Henry Barnard 1853–1915 Passed in Canada
   
Thomas Henry Barnard 1854–1917 Passed in Canada
   
Elizabeth Sarah Ann Barnard 1857–1939 We think this branch is an error.  Several others online had her married to a Phillip Harris in 1872 and then moving to New Zealand.  We now suspect it was another Barnard that married Harris.  Still looking for records

Back to Matilda.  There is a possible link to USA but so far no marriage document to support that it is "our" Matilda.  Have contacted folks with that info in online trees but their info comes from other trees not a document
 


Dunbar, Clark,Bain, Lipp, Campbell, Pope, Barnard, Handcock, McAdams,Creath

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Re: Matilda Barnard birth about 1849 London, England
« Reply #1 on: Monday 22 May 17 19:13 BST (UK) »
You can check for her mothers maiden name here using the reference found on freebmd.  If you have ordered a cert from the GRO website you will have created a login/pw.  If not - registration is free

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp

I have just checked and mmn was Jones
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Re: Matilda Barnard birth about 1849 London, England
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 23 May 17 01:00 BST (UK) »
Lucy Caroline Barnard 1847–1904 Passed Bethnal Green, London
   
David John Barnard 1850–1931 Passed in Canada
   
William Henry Barnard 1853–1915 Passed in Canada
   
Thomas Henry Barnard 1854–1917 Passed in Canada
   

If you look at census records and check against GRO you will see that William was a lot younger than Thomas.

Elizabeth Sarah Ann Barnard 1857–1939 We think this branch is an error.  Several others online had her married to a Phillip Harris in 1872 and then moving to New Zealand.  We now suspect it was another Barnard that married Harris. 

That marriage was for a Sarah BARNARD whose father was named Thomas.  I would say the descendants of Sarah and Phillip have traced back to the wrong family.

Debra  :)


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Re: Matilda Barnard birth about 1849 London, England
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 23 May 17 07:31 BST (UK) »
Is this the family in 1871?

David A Barnard   48      Shoreditch, Middlesex
Elizabeth Barnard   47      St Bride's, London
Thomas Barnard   17   Clerkenwell
Elizabeth S A Barnard   14   Shoreditch
William H Barnard   12   Shoreditch

Added, just for confirmation, in 1861 census:
David Andrew Barnard   37 (?)
Elizabeth Barnard   36
Lucy Caroline Barnard   14
Matilda Barnard   12  St Brides, Middlesex
David Jno Barnard   10
Thomas Hy Barnard   7
Elizth Sarah Ann Barnard   4
Wm Henry Barnard   7


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Re: Matilda Barnard birth about 1849 London, England
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 23 May 17 07:45 BST (UK) »
Is this connected?
Matilda Barnard
 in the U.S., Sons of the American Revolution Membership Applications, 1889-1970
Matilda Barnard born in 1849 in London, England
Died about  June 1920 in Washington, District of Columbia
SAR Membership:   41136   Role:   Ancestor   Application Date:   27 Jun 1925
Spouse:   John Vanderbilt Wurdemann  Children:   Harry Vanderbilt Wurdemann

 Matilda Barnard married in Washington DC on October 4th 1864.  (That would be at age 15)

Added:
Gets even more mixed up:
https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=58593409&ref=acom

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Re: Matilda Barnard birth about 1849 London, England
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 23 May 17 07:47 BST (UK) »
Wm Henry Barnard   7

That is a '2'.

Debra  :)

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Re: Matilda Barnard birth about 1849 London, England
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 23 May 17 07:53 BST (UK) »
Yes, sorry, thought I had checked them all.

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Re: Matilda Barnard birth about 1849 London, England
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 23 May 17 11:57 BST (UK) »
Thanks for all the added info.  Will be following up as soon as possible.

With regard to the John Vanderbilt Wurdemann connection- I have tried to confirm that this is the same person.  Some online trees list the same parents and birth location but I have had no concrete connection.  I contacted two several owners and they did not have a document, (marriage perhaps?) that showed "their" Matilda's parents were in fact the same people.  The Wurdemann family appears to have been very well known but I still cannot make the direct link.

It seems Barnard was not an uncommon name in London in the 1800s which does not help
Dunbar, Clark,Bain, Lipp, Campbell, Pope, Barnard, Handcock, McAdams,Creath

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Re: Matilda Barnard birth about 1849 London, England
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 23 May 17 14:06 BST (UK) »
Have you found the Wurdemann family on 1870 or 1880 censuses?