Author Topic: John Davies Tregeiriog, Denbighshire Wales (Parish of Llanarmon Dyffryn Ceiriog)  (Read 1521 times)

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Wondering about this 1861 entry

Pen y bont, Rhiwlas, Llansilin, RG09/1876/63/14

Evan Davies, 24, ag lab, b. Llancadwaladr
Sarah, w, 22, b. Llangollen
John, s, 1, b. Llansilin

(Llansilin births are usually registered in Oswestry RD)

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Following on from above, there is this possible in 1871

RG10/5634/15/3
Tyn rhyd, Llangadwaladr

David Davies, 64, labourer, b. Treceiriog
Elizabeth,w, 63, b. ?, Denbighshire
John, nephew, 11, b. Llansilin
Sarah Ann, niece, 3, b. Glynceiriog


The description of the ED includes Treceiriog and, ironically, the Richard and Jane Davies, mentioned in a previous post, are on the previous page.

If he lived with his uncle in Tregeiriog from an early age, he might well think he was born there :-\


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And that makes me wonder about the 1881 entry RG11/5508/68/2 in Mold that has an Evan Davies,labourer, born Llangadwaladr with a daughter Sarah born 1868,Glynceiriog.The parental couple don't really match the 1861 entry,but he/they are worth considering,I think.

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In 1841 at Tynrhyd David Davies has a son Evan given born 1836,which could make for John being a grandson rather than nephew(HO107/1399/9/7/9) in the 1871.Evan is not at Tynrhyd in 1851.

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That looks a pretty good match to me, Roger. 

I wonder if the first Sarah died and Evan married another Sarah who was older than him and he then upped his age a few years. Surely, with  the daughter born Glynceiriog and the right age and he born Llangadwaladr, they must be the same!

Have you checked for Evan on the 1871.

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Just seen your second post - David could well be Evan's father as the nephew/niece description was used in different ways then.

My machine is like walking in treacle at the moment :'(

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So we have:

1861
Pen y bont, Rhiwlas, Llansilin, RG09/1876/63/14

Evan Davies, 24, ag lab, b. Llancadwaladr
Sarah, w, 22, b. Llangollen
John, s, 1, b. Llansilin

1871
Tyn rhyd, Llangadwaladr RG10/5634/15/3

David Davies, 64, labourer, b. Tregeiriog
Elizabeth,w, 63, b. ?, Denbighshire
John, nephew, 11, b. Llansilin
Sarah Ann, niece, 3, b. Glynceiriog

1881
Long Cottages, Leeswood, Mold  RG11/5508/68/2

Evan Davies, 50, general labourer, b.llangadwaladr
Sarah, w, 55, b. Mold
Sarah Davies, d, 13, scholar, b. Glynceiriog


Not found Evan in 1871 so far.

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No,nor me.I can find him in 1891 still in Mold,given born 1837 Tregeiriog, with Sarah.
(RG12/4609/51/8)

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So he reverted to his 'real' age then!

i've tried various search criteria but nothing for 1871 - may have been very badly mistranscribed and somewhere between the Ceiriog valley and Mold.
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oh my word Gadget and Roger you have so much info - I'm afraid I'm well out of my depth here but I need to digest what you have found.

Please bare with me. 

The only thing I can say at mo is that Evan's occupation was a labourer in 1882 when John his son got married and I'm presuming still alive as they usually write (Deceased) underneath what I've seen on some other marriage certificates.

When I looked on Find My Past earlier I tried entering the surname Davies birth range 1859 (give or take 10 yrs, Llanarmon Dyffryn Ceiriog birth place to see if I could find siblings with a father Evan but it didn't show anything but I guess it does show that Llan DC was acknowledged at this time.  So, I haven't really got anywhere apart from find the 1881 census with John in Bryncoch Mold but I'm pleased about that. ;D
Thanking you both for your time and knowledge
Joanne  ;)