Missing / mystery location near Hatfield Chase / Thorne / Isle of Axholme

[dobfarm]

At a guess only

[Ruskie]

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[Ruskie]

So, does anyone think we have a chance of finding the location where Matthew Van Valkenburgh's clearly sizeable house was? Presumably, on the site of another building now?

Apologies if I have missed something (as I only had a quick glance at Dob's links about the Van Valkenburghs and Middle Ing) but am I right in thinking you are looking for a house lived in by the family circa 1600/1700s?

Some old maps may show "site of" a dwelling of importance if it no longer exists. 

[dobfarm]

Hi, just coming in on this  .
The book "Thorne Mere & The Old River Don" by Martin Tylor has a little snippet, Martin used among others, the historical sources of John Leland (1506 - 1552) who gives a brief description of his visit to Thorne and his boat journey from Thorne to Sandtoft, crossing Thorne Mere on his way.
The Middle Ings / Middlings is the area along the centre of which runs along the A18 (Scunthorpe Road to a local like me  ) in the area of what is now the "Black Bull" public house.

Frank.

Added, I have not read all of the thread yet, apologies if I have duplicated anything.

Many thanks for this. Do you have a copy of this book / PDF online? Where can I get it?

You can order the  book

http://www.sessionsbooks.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=352

[jess5athome]

Hi, just coming in on this  .
The book "Thorne Mere & The Old River Don" by Martin Tylor has a little snippet, Martin used among others, the historical sources of John Leland (1506 - 1552) who gives a brief description of his visit to Thorne and his boat journey from Thorne to Sandtoft, crossing Thorne Mere on his way.
The Middle Ings / Middlings is the area along the centre of which runs along the A18 (Scunthorpe Road to a local like me  ) in the area of what is now the "Black Bull" public house.

Frank.

Added, I have not read all of the thread yet, apologies if I have duplicated anything.

Many thanks for this. Do you have a copy of this book / PDF online? Where can I get it?

Hi, I have a copy but as yet apart from the the mention in the opening page I have not found much, I will look at the maps which are in the book to see if anything is shown.

Frank.

[jess5athome]

..............................................................OK, well my ancestor was Matthew Van Valkenburgh, already referred to in this thread. He was connected with the draining project...........................................

Have you looked at a copy of Josias Aerlebout's map from 1639 (a google search may well bring it up), it shows the names of the participants in Vermuyden's drainage project and each participant has a letter, A,B,C etc to the side of there name, the corresponding letter is then shown on different areas of land allocated to them, that may help 

Frank.

[jess5athome]

Back again, here's a bit from the manuscript of George Stovin..............................

"Sr Matthew Vanvalkenburgh also built a good house upon the banks of the Don,
in this Level, which was lately the estate of Sr John Boynton, then of
Boynton-Boynton, esq., who left it to two daughters."

A possible aid in finding the whereabouts may well be to do a bit of digging on Sir John Boynton.

Frank.

[jess5athome]

Hi  back again.

One of my prized possesions is an 1870 edition of "The Diary of Abraham De La Pryme" the Yorkshire antiquary and I have spent most of the afternoon trawling through it.

Abraham's father was Charles De La Pryme who came over to England in 1628 and died leaving two sons, in the diary there is a mention of one named Mathias.

In April 1670 Mathias married Sarah Smaque, the daughter of Peter Smaque, a rich Frenchman who had to flee Paris because of his faith, (interestingly there is still today a "Smaque Farm" on the A18 Scunthorpe road, a couple of miles past the Black Bull public house), the book then goes on to say:

"In 1680 he removed to Crowtrees Hall a large house in the levels built by Mynheer van Valkenbroch, one of the original drainers................"

Now off to check maps.

Frank.

[jess5athome]

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Follow the road "Crow Tree Bank" down the side of the Black Bull public house and there is a "Crow Tree Farm", it may well have been somewhere in this vicinity.

The 1850 OS shows this area as being between high level bank and low level bank where the old river Don ran,it also names the area as "Crowtree"

Frank.