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Marriage of Jane Sim(m)s
« on: Monday 29 May 17 18:21 BST (UK) »
Hi,  I am trying to find some information on my ggg grandmother Jane SIM(M)S. I believe she may have come from Suffolk. She was born according to her death certificate in 1817. In 1841 my ggg grandparents were living in London and both were listed as being born outside the county. I have established that John BANKS (ggg gf) came from Nayland, Suffolk so am assumIng that Jane also came from Suffolk (she died in 1846). I have found on familysearch a baptism for a Jane SIMS in 1817 in Sudbury which is not too far from Nayland. The dates would work but need to find the marriage (pre 1837 registration). Does anyone have access to the relevant records? or can point me in the right direction to be able to check them myself. Any help would be appreciated.

Regards,  Sandra
BANKS - Holborn,London
LATTAWAY - anywhere
BRAIN(E)S - Northamptonshire
RYALL - Ireland

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Re: Marriage of Jane Sim(m)s
« Reply #1 on: Monday 29 May 17 18:52 BST (UK) »
Not sure about this but found this marriage

John Bankes
Jane Syms
both single and of the parish
24th August, 1835
Castle Church
Staffordshire

Only one witness - Henry Clarkson


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Re: Marriage of Jane Sim(m)s
« Reply #2 on: Monday 29 May 17 18:56 BST (UK) »
This has probably got absolutely nothing to do with your ggg grandparents but I have found a marriage in Castle Church, Staffordshire between a Jane Syms and a John Banks which took place on 24 Augusr 1835. The witness was a Henry Clarkson.

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Re: Marriage of Jane Sim(m)s
« Reply #3 on: Monday 29 May 17 22:17 BST (UK) »
Thankyou. I also had found that but I have not found any connection to Staffordshire. Both names are quite common in both areas and I don't think they are the ones. Thankyou for looking.

Sandra
BANKS - Holborn,London
LATTAWAY - anywhere
BRAIN(E)S - Northamptonshire
RYALL - Ireland

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Re: Marriage of Jane Sim(m)s
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 30 May 17 15:29 BST (UK) »
Ok, 1851 John has remarried.

Birth Regs GRO Index

BANKS, JOSEPH, Mothers mn SIMS***
GRO Reference: 1841  D Quarter in HOLBORN UNION  Volume 02  Page 113

BANKS, GEORGE,  Mothers mn LYMS****
GRO Reference: 1843  M Quarter in HOLBORN UNION  Volume 02  Page 127

1841 in Holborn we have;
John Banks, 25, Shoemaker, not born in County
Jane Banks, 20, not born in County
Wm Banks, 3
Mary Banks, 1
Children born in County

Cant find a Birth Reg for Mary under Banks c 1840

But this is interesting;
SMITH, CORDELIA  MARY ANN, Mothers mn   SIMS***
GRO Reference: 1839  J Quarter in OF THE HOLBORN UNION MIDDLESEX  Volume 02


Also a few Trees have have HARRY born c 1855 Hampshire as the Son of John Sladen Marsh Banks and Mary Ann Stacey.
Wrong!

Your Harrys Gro Index has his Mother as ODELL

Marriage Reg March 1851 Southampton, 7 233
John BANKS and Mary Ann ODELL on same page

The other Couple married 1847 Dover.
Marriage on F/S.Org

John BANKS, Father JOHN married Mary Ann ODELL, 17 Feb 1851, Southampton, Hampshire
Her Father was RICHARD

Sorry if i'm going over what you already have might it might help others in the future.


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Cummins, Miskelly(IRELAND + NZ) ,Leggett (SFK + NFK ENGLAND + NZ),Purdy ( NBL ENGLAND + NZ ), Shaw YKS, LANCs + NZ), Holdsworth(LINCS +LANCS + NZ), Moloney, Dean, Fitzpatrick, ( County Down,IRE) Newby(NBL.ENG, Costello(IRE), Ivers, Murray(IRE),Reay(NBL.ENG) Reid (BERW.SCOTLAND)

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Re: Marriage of Jane Sim(m)s
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 30 May 17 15:53 BST (UK) »
So I presume this is what you have for John?

JOHN Banks Christened 21 Jan 1816 Brettenham, Suffolk to JOHN/MARIA
Siblings seem to be christened Nayland*
WILLIAM 18 Oct 1818
MARY 28 Jan 1821
THOMAS 12 June 1825

Marriage;
3 October 1814   Brettenham, Suffolk, John BANKS to Maria VINCENT
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Cummins, Miskelly(IRELAND + NZ) ,Leggett (SFK + NFK ENGLAND + NZ),Purdy ( NBL ENGLAND + NZ ), Shaw YKS, LANCs + NZ), Holdsworth(LINCS +LANCS + NZ), Moloney, Dean, Fitzpatrick, ( County Down,IRE) Newby(NBL.ENG, Costello(IRE), Ivers, Murray(IRE),Reay(NBL.ENG) Reid (BERW.SCOTLAND)

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Re: Marriage of Jane Sim(m)s
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 30 May 17 16:01 BST (UK) »
Sorry am getting carried away!

1871 we have;
Henry Marsh, 59, born Dorset
Ann Marsh, 65
John Banks, 56, Lodger, Shoemaker
Mary Ann Banks, 48, Lodgers Wife
Harry Banks, 16, Lodgers Son, born Portsea
Benjamin Banks, 6, Grandson**
Gro Ondex seems to have his Mothers mn as MARSH

If you follow Henry Marsh back to 1851 we have;
Henry Marsh, 39
Ann Marsh, 45
Alice Marsh, 5
Emma Marsh, 3
Charloth Odell, 23
Emily Odell, 21
William Odell, 19
Odell Children are all Step-Children to Henry

EMILY Odell Baptised 15 May 1829, Hampshire, Parents RICHARD/ANN

So Mary Anns Sister, Siblings and Mother in 1851 Census.

EMMA Marsh age 3 in 1851 married a Joseph BANKS.
19 July 1864, St Marys, Portsmouth
Emma Eliza MARSH age 19 to Joseph BANKS age 23
So they are likely Benjamins Parents and therefore he is a Grandson of the Marshs.
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Re: Marriage of Jane Sim(m)s
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 31 May 17 22:27 BST (UK) »
Thankyou for all that info. I do have all that already. I have followed up on Cordelia Mary Ann and have found a death for her in 1839 aged 4 months so she is definitely not my Mary but is there a link on the mothers side?

I have not been able to find any baptisms either for any of the children in or around Holborn.

I will just have to keep looking :-)
BANKS - Holborn,London
LATTAWAY - anywhere
BRAIN(E)S - Northamptonshire
RYALL - Ireland

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Re: Marriage of Jane Sim(m)s
« Reply #8 on: Friday 02 June 17 08:39 BST (UK) »
Sorry I couldnt be any help :)
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