Author Topic: John Dickson CROSS of Islington / Greenwich / New Cross (and formerly Norwich)  (Read 1028 times)

Offline Andy May

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I'm seeking further info on a distant relative , John Dickson CROSS .
With such a distinctive name, I naively thought he'd be easy to find .
Here's what I do know from an extensive search of Ancestry.co.uk etc :

Born NORWICH , July 8th 1852.
Baptised August 1st 1852 at St John de Sepulchre , Norwich
He was the 7th & youngest child born to William & Susan (or Susanna) CROSS (nee CATTERMOLE)
1861 Census they're all at Rose Lane , Norwich .
1871 Census he's living at Allen St, Islington with his elder married sister and her family (Jane & William ELGOOD ), and another unmarried sister Emma Elizabeth CROSS.

Then he goes off-radar for 3 census, re-appearing in 1911 , married to Elizabeth Alice (nee Sharp -  born in Arundel, Sussex abt 1860) and living at Catherine Grove , Greenwich .
Occupation Gun Factory Labourer , Woolwich Arsenal .

Working backwards and searching for his wife in earlier census, I can only find an E CROSS , born Arundel and abt the right age , at London County Asylum , Dartford in 1901 .

His father William Cross died at Rose Lane Norwich Sept 1880 and his elder brother Robert hanged himself at Rose Lane almost exactly a year later, Sept 1881.  Mother Susan remained in Norwich upto 1881 Census but may have died in Islington later in 1881, just after Robert's suicide.

I've found a Wills & Probate entry dated June 1927, leaving £84 8s 8d to Louisa Mary SHARP (spinster), who was probably Elizabeth's sister. Address given as Edric Rd, New Cross ..

I'm hoping someone has him in their tree - they were a big family - or can suggest where I might start looking again to fill in this missing 40-year period of John's life ? He was my 2x Grt-Uncle .

Any info and advice appreciated , On- or Off-List , please .

Thanks

Andy
Norfolk , Berks , London , Cheshire , Dorset

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Re: John Dickson CROSS of Islington / Greenwich / New Cross (and formerly Norwich)
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 01 June 17 13:48 BST (UK) »
1891 census provides a clue:

44 Upper Park St, Islington

John D Cross Head Mar 38 Butcher (assist.) Norfolk Norwich
Elizabeth A do Wife Mar 31 Sussex Arundel
Louisa do Daur 3 Australia Queensland

RG12/153/21/34 (search under CROW if using Anc)
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: John Dickson CROSS of Islington / Greenwich / New Cross (and formerly Norwich)
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 01 June 17 13:55 BST (UK) »
The birth of Louisa, daughter of John Dickson Cross and Elizabeth Alice Sharp (or nee Sharp) was registered in Queensland in 1887.

Later UK records (after her marriage) suggest her birthdate was 21 August 1887.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: John Dickson CROSS of Islington / Greenwich / New Cross (and formerly Norwich)
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 01 June 17 14:05 BST (UK) »
Elizabeth Alice Sharp's birth was registered Dec qtr 1859 Worthing and she was baptised 1 Jan 1860 at Arundel, daughter of Augustus and Louisa.

She was in the household of her cousin John Sharp in Broadwater in 1881.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)


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Re: John Dickson CROSS of Islington / Greenwich / New Cross (and formerly Norwich)
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 01 June 17 14:07 BST (UK) »
Marriage, Jun qtr 1887

John Dickson Cross
Elizabeth Alice Sharp

Steyning 2b 438

A parish register transcript shows that the marriage took place at Lancing on 21 May 1887.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: John Dickson CROSS of Islington / Greenwich / New Cross (and formerly Norwich)
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 01 June 17 14:09 BST (UK) »
Louisa Cross, 13 b Queensland, was enumerated in Plumstead in 1901 as niece of Fred and Maria Lingley.

Fred Lingley had married Maria Cross in Norwich, 24 Sep 1877.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: John Dickson CROSS of Islington / Greenwich / New Cross (and formerly Norwich)
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 01 June 17 15:16 BST (UK) »
Thank you soooooooooooooooooo much AVM228 !

Incorrect transcription of 100-yr old handwriting must be the equivalent of modern day auto-correct !

Plenty there to keep me busy .

A  :0)
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Re: John Dickson CROSS of Islington / Greenwich / New Cross (and formerly Norwich)
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 01 June 17 15:35 BST (UK) »
You're welcome :)


I've found a Wills & Probate entry dated June 1927, leaving £84 8s 8d to Louisa Mary SHARP (spinster), who was probably Elizabeth's sister. Address given as Edric Rd, New Cross ..


You will have seen that John Dickson Cross had died a decade earlier, on 27 June 1917.  Probate was granted to Louisa Mary Sharp on 11 July 1927.  You say he left money "to" her - she was the executor, but without the will one can't identify who the beneficiaries were.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: John Dickson CROSS of Islington / Greenwich / New Cross (and formerly Norwich)
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 01 June 17 15:47 BST (UK) »
Elizabeth Alice Cross died aged 69 on 2 May 1929 - abode White Rose Cottage, Alma St, Lancing, Sussex.

Administration was granted to Louisa Burman, wife of Edmund John Burman, on 6 Feb 1930.

Estate: £472 19s 6d.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)