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John Browne Jones
« on: Sunday 04 June 17 04:04 BST (UK) »
Hi Everyone,  :)
I have started to compile the history of my ‘Jones’ family’s migration from Wrexham to New Zealand. This is when one finds all the glaring gaps in one’s past research; my biggest failing is John Browne Jones and his siblings. I had hoped that his middle name would separate him from all the other Johns, but I’ve had no luck.
  Hopefully the listeners may be able to help again. Many of my early notes rely upon some brilliant work, done by you folks, on my gtx3 grandfather, Edward Jones _architect. http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=510907.0

 Edward’s brother was John Jones (1787-1826) a draper in High Street.  John married Sarah Browne (1788-1820) daughter of Rev. William Browne (1762-1826) [minister of the Chester Street congregation] and Sarah Evans (1765-1829).

John and Sarah had five children, all born in Wrexham_ ( Chester Street register)
Sarah Jones (1811-1893)
John Browne Jones (1812- )
Emily Jones (1813- )
William Jones (1814- )
Edward Jones (1814- )
Ann Jones (1819- )

I have a reasonable knowledge of Sarah’s life (1811-1893) but the other children have escaped me.
 Sarah Browne’s will below does not name the twins William and Edward Jones, but does say, in another context, “other children”.

The 1828 will of Sarah Browne nee Evans contains some clues. Like her son in law, John Jones, she was a draper “Linen & Woolen Drapers._Sarah Browne & Co, High Street” ( Pigots 1828-1829).

 Sarah mentions "…the joint trade carried on by me and my son in law William Bowker during our partnership term of seven years and the further term of five years if the partnership shall be continued either between me or my Grandson John Jones with the said William Bowker…"

Sarah Browne bequeathed sums of money to her daughter Caroline Bowker and granddaughters Sarah and Emily Jones and “my grandson William Snelson son of my late daughter Abigail Snelson” … “Whereas my Granddaughter Ann Jones the youngest daughter of my late daughter Sarah along with the other children of my late daughter Sarah will be entitled to her maintenance from the said partnership concern…”

From Palmer (1888): Nos. 36 & 37 High Street were occupied from 1763 by a succession of prominent dissenters, from 1763 to 1788 by John Evans, mercer, from 1789 to 1805 by John Burton , mercer, from 1805 to 1826 by John Jones draper who was followed by William Bowker.

William Bowker and Caroline moved to New Jersey, USA sometime between 1832 and 1835. ( USA census)

That’s all the clues I have, as always your contributions will be greatly appreciated. Thanks Gary. :)
Edward George JONES Wrexham Wales/Staines Middlesex
Edward Llewellyn JONES Staines/ Wellington NZ
Thomas & Harriett BOSHER aka BOWSHER Surrey/NZ
Joseph DALY /Mullingar, Westmeath,Ire./Wellington NZ
Parker of Welburn, Yorkshire

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Re: John Browne Jones
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 04 June 17 14:22 BST (UK) »
It looks like John Browne Jones was in London

https://www.oldbaileyonline.org/images.jsp?doc=183304110063

Very difficult researching Jones.

Out of curiosity is this another child of the couple John and Sarah Jones ~ snippet taken from Chester Street Chapel records
Luce, Tippett , Thomson, Dolling ~ Devon & Cornwall
Mocquard ~ London, France
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Re: John Browne Jones
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 04 June 17 22:04 BST (UK) »
Thankyou Claire, This is an excellent lead to John Browne Jones; in 1888, he is 76years, presumably living in London. I'll revisit the census and probate records.

Regarding Henry Ellis Jones, I missed him, I think it is likely to be son of Sarah and John. John's brothers were Edward and Ellis.
 :) :)
Edward George JONES Wrexham Wales/Staines Middlesex
Edward Llewellyn JONES Staines/ Wellington NZ
Thomas & Harriett BOSHER aka BOWSHER Surrey/NZ
Joseph DALY /Mullingar, Westmeath,Ire./Wellington NZ
Parker of Welburn, Yorkshire

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Re: John Browne Jones
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 17 June 17 01:19 BST (UK) »
It looks like John Browne Jones was in London

https://www.oldbaileyonline.org/images.jsp?doc=183304110063

Very difficult researching Jones.


Hi Claire,
The search has been frustrating,  Half of Wales is a John Jones and half of them are drapers. ::)
Naturally, I was looking for a Wrexham born draper in London. Upon re-reading the transcript, he seems rather agile for a 76 year old. Perhaps it is his son?
Edward George JONES Wrexham Wales/Staines Middlesex
Edward Llewellyn JONES Staines/ Wellington NZ
Thomas & Harriett BOSHER aka BOWSHER Surrey/NZ
Joseph DALY /Mullingar, Westmeath,Ire./Wellington NZ
Parker of Welburn, Yorkshire

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Re: John Browne Jones
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 17 June 17 01:56 BST (UK) »
Hi Gary

Think we both need glasses ~ the date of the transcript is at the top of the page  ::)

" Proceedings of the Old Bailey, 11th April 1833, page 63."  -    55 years earlier than we thought !!

Definitely the man you seek  ;D ;D

I'll have another look  :)

claire
Luce, Tippett , Thomson, Dolling ~ Devon & Cornwall
Mocquard ~ London, France
Census info is Crown Copyright http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

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Re: John Browne Jones
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 17 June 17 02:44 BST (UK) »
Couple of entries in directories may be worth checking out for elimination purposes. Working on the assumption he would be John B Jones to separate himself from the other million John Jones's about :)

1875 and 1880 Directory for Swansea

Under Woollen and Linen Drapers

John B Jones... 'Cloth Hall',. Clydach (Swansea)

Now this one may not be him, he would be quite aged. Year: 1901

John B Jones.... The Rodge, Llanfair, Montgomeryshire - Woollen Manufacturer.

Claire
Luce, Tippett , Thomson, Dolling ~ Devon & Cornwall
Mocquard ~ London, France
Census info is Crown Copyright http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

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Re: John Browne Jones
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 17 June 17 07:57 BST (UK) »
Hi Gary

Think we both need glasses ~ ::)


No just me  :-[ :-[
I blame Palmer (1888). I had been citing him all day and well , Im an idiot, but thanks again ;)
Edward George JONES Wrexham Wales/Staines Middlesex
Edward Llewellyn JONES Staines/ Wellington NZ
Thomas & Harriett BOSHER aka BOWSHER Surrey/NZ
Joseph DALY /Mullingar, Westmeath,Ire./Wellington NZ
Parker of Welburn, Yorkshire