John williams Birmingham.

[nettex]

Hi Im looking for John Williams b Birmingham about 1870 he married Amelia Veness and was living with his inlaws in 1891.I would love to find out about his children birthdates and addresses please.
Thanks nettex.

[PaulineJ]

Register at the GRO and find the kids birth registrations.
Then try and find baptisms, once you have a name , approximate  date and location.

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/login.asp
https://familysearch.org/search

Pauline

[suzard]

are you certain John was b c 1870

on marriage in 1889 he is age 27 and in 1891 he is age 29 -giving a birth age c. 1862

Marriage parish register image
Page 247 entry 491
Marriage St Jude Birmingham
John Williams 27 bachekor Brass Founder 7 ct 2 house Bromsgrove St father Evain Williams Fire Iron Maker
Amelia Vaness 19 spinster address as above father John Vaness Occ Hawker
witnesses F Burns signed & A Chandler xher mark
John made his mark and Amelia signed
1881 the family are Vaness
1891 Amelia's father is John Smith occ Hawker??? and the rest of the family are Smith

Suz

[keyboard86]

Hi looking at that marriage, I believe John was born June qtr 1861 Aston v6d page 251 mmn COTTRILL, his family were in 1871 census:-

Ann Williams 46 Widow occ Fire Iron Polisher
James 17 occ Fire Iron Polisher
Evan 13 occ Fire Iron Polisher
JOHN 9
Priscalla ( Priscilla) 35 Cousin
All born Warwickshire
Residing at Floodgate Street, Court House, Birmingham
Census Ref RG10/3107/78/9

In 1861 census

Evan Williams 36 occ White Smith
Ann 36
Elizabeth Cotterill 17
Mary A Williams 12
James 7
Evan 4
Residing at 6 Court, 2, Glover Street, Aston
Census Ref RG09/2169/52/45

Marriage Evan Williams to Ann Cotterill June qtr 1860 Birmingham 6d 69

Marriage was 24th June 1860 Birmingham, St Jude
Evan Williams 35 Batchelor occ Whitesmith Father Evan occ Brass Founder
Ann Cotterill 35 Spinster Father George Cotterill occ Vice Maker
Both residing Glover Street.
Keyboard86

EDIT Evan b June qtr 1857 Aston is mmn Cottrill, but Mary A and James?

The Elizabeth Williams on the 1891 census was born Dec qtr 1890 Birmingham 6d 92 mmn VENESS

[nettex]

Hi Pauline, thanks i have taken up your advice.
Thankyou Suzard for your information.
Keyboard Thank you for the census records a lot of infomation. John Williams and Amelia Veness did not stay together long. On the 1901 census she is living with Jame Rowles and she is using the surname Rowles,i can not find a marrage for them. They have at least 5 children. I believe John Williams is Still alive at that point. James and Amelia Have a daughter Ann b1895/6 on the 1901 census her surname is Rowles but it may well be Williams. I cant find a birth for Ann rowles in Birmingham for those years. Any information about Ann,s birth or any williams siblings woul be of help.
many thanks nettex

[PaulineJ]

Go back to the GRO search!

WILLIAMS, ANN       MMN: VENESS     1893  Sept Quarter in ASTON 

[nettex]

Thanks Pauline, Iam waiting for a confirmation email from GRO.

[keyboard86]

Hi in 1901 census looks like John is back in Floodgate Street:-

John Williams 39 occ Brass Founder
Elizabeth 10
Edgar 8
Shown as boarders
Census ref RG13/2837/87/41
Keyboard86

Edit Edgar could be the son of Edgar & Matilda Williams,( maybe not as with family in 1901 aged 9) John aged 50 Married occ Brass Dresser shown as Inmate at possibly the Workhouse Western Road, All Saints, Birmingham?

Added

1851 census
Evan Williams 29 occ Fire Iron Maker
Ann 27
Mary 2
Residing at Little Bow Street Court
Census ref HO107/2052/632/30

[keyboard86]

Well other than trying to locate a possible son Edgar of John/Amelia c 1892, I see the first born James, of James Rowles /Amelia was born December qtr 1900 Walsall mmn Veness
Census ref RG13/2702/11/13

OK found the birth of Edgar :-
Edgar Williams September qtr 1892 Birmingham 6d 80 mmn Veness

So just what happened, why did John retain 2 children and Amelia 1 and then split?

Amelia Rowles dies September qtr 1937 Birmingham aged 66
Keyboard86