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Thomas Allen from Lubenham and Foxton 1863
« on: Tuesday 06 June 17 08:41 BST (UK) »
Hello

I have reached a brick wall in trying to find information on Thomas Allen, born 1863, in Lubenham.
I have found information from the 1871, 1891, 1901 and 1911 census, plus a death registration, but can not find any information on his parents, or further details on his wife Elizabeth ? (Sometimes Annie E) born Welford, 1866.

I believe in worked on the canals in Foxton.
Many thanks
Karen

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Re: Thomas Allen from Lubenham and Foxton 1863
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 06 June 17 08:43 BST (UK) »
Start by looking for a birth registration in 1863ish.
Is there a MMN?
You state you have the census (es).
Where is he and whom is he with?

Is he the one as nephew to jane plant in 1871?
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VFT8-KP8


Same for his kids, whats the MMN from the birth indexes?

Use the "new" GRO search.
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Re: Thomas Allen from Lubenham and Foxton 1863
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 06 June 17 09:00 BST (UK) »
I see the problem!

I can't see a Birth Registration for Thomas Allen in, or around, 1863.
If he was born in Lubenham, then the Registration District would have been Market Harborough.

There's a birth in Shardlow Registration District, and another in Ashby De La Zouch RD
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Re: Thomas Allen from Lubenham and Foxton 1863
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 06 June 17 09:05 BST (UK) »
Hi Karen

Welcome to rootschat  :)

I assume this is him in 1871 - RG10/3225 f97 p17

Jane Plant   31 -Head
Maria Plant 7 -dtr
Thomas Allen 8 -Nephew
John Allen   5 - Nephew

Have you tried locating Jane Plant prior to this census or a possible marriage for her  :-\
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Re: Thomas Allen from Lubenham and Foxton 1863
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 06 June 17 09:08 BST (UK) »
1871 was given by me earlier (familysearch link)


So the ashby registration was baptised at Seal ( see familysearch again)?

Do the two found births mmn match with what appears to be a younger brother from 1871 census?
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Walters in Middlesex(Pre-1875)  Clift,Gould in Devon/Cornwall

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Re: Thomas Allen from Lubenham and Foxton 1863
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 06 June 17 09:11 BST (UK) »
So the ashby registration was baptised at Seal ( see familysearch)?

Do the two found births mmn match with what appears to be a younger brother from 1871 census?

The birth in Netherseal/Seal can be found on the 1871 census with his mother, Susannah.
So, it's not that one!

Maybe his birth wasn't registered?
It wasn't compulsory enforced until 1874/5.
Garrad (Suffolk, Essex, Somerset), Crocker (Somerset), Vanstone (Devon, Jersey), Sims (Wiltshire), Bridger (Kent)

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Re: Thomas Allen from Lubenham and Foxton 1863
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 06 June 17 09:22 BST (UK) »
Going to 1891.
Oldest sprog is 5 or so.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:W6Q2-82M

Joseph charles registered 1888 market Harborough,  mmn poole
Edith Maria 1890 mmn Poole.

I think this one may be the bride-to-be 1871 census, with Granny
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VFTZ-1RW

and 1881 in service. To a BUSWELL family. is the name familiar?
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27J-M34J

Possible marriage in 1884 Northampton
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2DJ4-932

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Walters in Middlesex(Pre-1875)  Clift,Gould in Devon/Cornwall

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Re: Thomas Allen from Lubenham and Foxton 1863
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 06 June 17 11:52 BST (UK) »
Maria Plant married John Wells in 1891 Foxton - father William Plant occ Labourer.

In 1901 Maria's mother was staying with her (Now Jane Jelley)

Marriage of mother Jane to Husband William Plant (1862) has her as Jane Patrick - father Henry Patrick.
William was age 23 father Abraham Plant (Banns say William was late of Sapcote

Maria was baptised as Anna Maria -1864 Lubenham.

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Jane Patrick had a sister Sarah Ann.

Baptism at Ludenham 31st January 1864
Thomas Allen Patrick -abode Ludenham -Mother Sarah Ann Patrick- Single Woman

Baptism at Ludenham 3 November 1867
John Patrick - Mother Sarah Ann Patrick - Single Woman


PATRICK, THOMAS  ALLEN     No mothers maiden name on index
1863  June Quarter
MARKET HARBOROUGH  Volume 07A  Page 18
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Re: Thomas Allen from Lubenham and Foxton 1863
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 06 June 17 11:58 BST (UK) »
Just confirming the Patrick family in 1861
Henry Patrick   44 Widower
Jane Patrick   20
Thomas Patrick   18
John N Patrick   16
Sarah A Patrick   14
All born Lubenham
RG9 /2249 f121 p21

I will leave you to take this further back, if you need help just ask  ;D
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