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James MILLER - updated
« on: Friday 09 June 17 09:10 BST (UK) »
I have added more detailed information - please look at the end of the post

Hello All, I am rather new to this and have hit a dead end with my great grandfather, James Miller. In Liverpool in 1901 he was living with his wife, Catha(e)rine, lots of children (including 1 month old twin daughters) and in 1911 the twins were dead (died 1901), his son Anthony (my GF) was in a workhouse and his wife was in another workhouse where she says she is a widow. I have bought the death certificate of a James Miller who died in 1901, but I am no further forward. The only birth for a James Miller in the right timeframe is July 1860 in Auchtergaven, Perth where the father's name is given as George Miller and the mother Betsy Bell. When James married my GG Grandmother he gave his father's name as James. Another James Miller of the right age turns up in other census results, living as an apprentice with Walker and Margaret Scott. No mention of parents. I am absolutely baffled. If anyone can help me shine a light on this I will be very grateful.

Marriage 15th November 1893 in All Hallows church Allerton, Liverpool.  Age 31, living in West Derby, father James Miller (deceased) to Catherine Jones, living in Allerton, father John Jones (deceased)
1901 Census James Miller   41
Catherine Miller   37
Margaret Miller   6
Anthony Miller   4
Helen G Miller   3
Lily Miller   1/12
Rose Miller   1/12

1911 census Catherine Miller Walton on the Hill, Lancashire, as a widow. I found the death of the twins, Rose Miller b & d 1901 West Derby RD
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Re: James MILLER
« Reply #1 on: Friday 09 June 17 10:08 BST (UK) »
If you share a bit more information you might get more illumination:
Details of the marriage - when, where, ages, parents and witnesses
Details of each child name, birth date, birth place
What led you to a circa 1860 birth?
Where have you already looked (to save us duplicating your efforts)
It probably doesn't matter very much but you quote your great grandfather marrying your GG Grandmother (presumably Catherine).
Richard Wernham (Berkshire 18th century),
William Hissey (1805 to 1813, Hampstead Norris),
Kapirin (Siberia 19th Century),
Kitching 1850,
Mary Howse born 1806 ish,
Chris Truelove marr. John Pocock 2-7-1696, Kintbury, Berks

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Re: James MILLER
« Reply #2 on: Friday 09 June 17 10:27 BST (UK) »
Sorry, I will amend the post. I'm very new to this.

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Re: James MILLER - updated
« Reply #3 on: Friday 09 June 17 13:07 BST (UK) »
Hi higgypee ..I would say there is a possibility Margaret Scott is the mother of James Miller and a chance he was illegitimate ...Margaret Stein married Walter Scott 1865 Auchterarder James Miller is with them in the 1871/1881 census ...There is a birth for a James Miller 1856 in Auchterarder might be worth looking at to see what it says ...James Miller is with Margaret Stein and her mother Janet Caw or McKintosh in the 1861 census in Auchterarder

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Re: James MILLER - updated
« Reply #4 on: Friday 09 June 17 13:21 BST (UK) »
Is this the same family in the 1891 Census at Gorchen Street West Derby
Margt Scott age 57 (widow )
James M.  Scott age 29 son
David 21,Mary 16,Robert 11,
Janet Caw age down as 50 ( Grandmother

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Re: James MILLER - updated
« Reply #5 on: Friday 09 June 17 13:45 BST (UK) »
The death record you have for James Miller in 1901 Is it the right one relating to your James ?

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Re: James MILLER - updated
« Reply #6 on: Friday 09 June 17 15:55 BST (UK) »
I see you have another post on this James Miller going by the marriage in 1893 the witnesses were David and Mary Scott ...If this is the family you are following there is a chance this James Miller is with Margaret Scott in the later census  ???

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Re: James MILLER - updated
« Reply #7 on: Friday 09 June 17 17:36 BST (UK) »
The death record you have for James Miller in 1901 Is it the right one relating to your James ?

Rosie

Other post on Lancashire board indicates it may not be right certificate
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=772993.

An online tree suggests that the James Miller age 40 who died 1901 was husband of Sarah Jane Thomas   :-\

ADDED I think he appears at Court House, 1 Birkett Street, Liverpool in 1901 occ Dock Labourer
RG13/3424 f86 p8  (By the following census Sarah Jane has remarried)
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Re: James MILLER - updated
« Reply #8 on: Friday 09 June 17 18:09 BST (UK) »
Hi higgypee ..I would say there is a possibility Margaret Scott is the mother of James Miller and a chance he was illegitimate ...Margaret Stein married Walter Scott 1865 Auchterarder James Miller is with them in the 1871/1881 census ...There is a birth for a James Miller 1856 in Auchterarder might be worth looking at to see what it says ...James Miller is with Margaret Stein and her mother Janet Caw or McKintosh in the 1861 census in Auchterarder

Rosie,

I'm thinking this one looks a possible going by Margaret's m/s Stein/Steen (pronounced the same)?

STEEN JAMES (1859)     329/ 124     Auchterarder

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