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John Russell & Elizabeth Haggar
« on: Sunday 11 June 17 22:25 BST (UK) »
Hello everyone  :)

I want to research my ancestors from Essex.  It's about James Russell and Elizabeth Haggar of Takeley, Essex.

They married on the 23rd March 1787 in Takeley  (Information from familysearch )
They had 5 Children :


Mary Ann bap 12 July 1787 Takeley
Sophia bap 25 January 1789
Thomas bap 21 November 1790
Everet bap 28 October 1792
Sarah bap 19 July 1795

I want to find out more about the ancestors of James Russell and Elizabeth Haggar. I don't know the names of their parents or siblings and or where they came from or their occupations.

I hope someone can help  ;)


Best wishes

Jane

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Re: John Russell & Elizabeth Haggar
« Reply #1 on: Monday 12 June 17 02:18 BST (UK) »
Hi Jane190,

There is a James Russell baptised 10 Jun 1770. St Margaret of Antioch. Toppesfield.  father Thomas.

Elizabeth Haggar  b 11 Jul 1761. Hertford. which is not far from  Takeley.
father Stephen.  mother Susanna.






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Re: John Russell & Elizabeth Haggar
« Reply #2 on: Monday 12 June 17 06:20 BST (UK) »
Baptised Takeley:
James Russell 21.10.1760, son of James and Anne

Baptised Great Hallingbury:
Elizabeth Hagger 18.11.1759. daughter of Thomas and Martha

Great Hallingbury is an adjacent parish to Takeley.

The first born son was often named after the mother's father, and Everet baptised 1792 may well be the maiden name of Martha.

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Re: John Russell & Elizabeth Haggar
« Reply #3 on: Monday 12 June 17 08:25 BST (UK) »
Essex Record Office
Holy Trinity Church, Takely
The banns were read 4,11,19 March 1787 married on 23rd.
Witness William Stokes (signed) and Mary Russell made her mark.
Bride and groom also made their mark.

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Re: John Russell & Elizabeth Haggar
« Reply #4 on: Monday 12 June 17 17:51 BST (UK) »
Thank you very much  :)I appreciate it very much.

Can you also find a marriage for the parents of Elizabeth Haggar, Thomas and Martha ? Maybe in Great Hallingbury or Takeley, Essex .

Also for the parents of James Russell, James and Anne ? Maybe in Takeley too.


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Jane

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Re: John Russell & Elizabeth Haggar
« Reply #5 on: Monday 12 June 17 18:14 BST (UK) »
I can't help with the marriages but here's some Hagger baptisms and burials...

Baptisms - Great Hallingbury

18 Nov 1759 - Elizabeth Hagger; dau of Thomas & Martha
22 Feb 1761 - Thomas Hagger; son of Thomas & Martha
15 Aug 1762 - John Hagar; son of Thomas & Martha
14 Apr 1765 - Sarah Hagar; dau of Thomas & Martha
19 Oct 1766 - Matthew Hagar; son of Thomas & Martha
09 Jul 1769 - James Hagar; son of Thomas & Martha
06 Jun 1773 - Newman Hagar; son of Thomas & Martha

04 Nov 1781 - Elizabeth Haggar; base born dau of Elizabeth


Burials - Great Hallingbury

31 Dec 1786 - Newman Haggar; son of Thomas & Martha; age 13
22 Apr 1788 - Nathaniel Haggar; labourer; by a blow in fighting[?]; age 21
30 Jan 1811 - Thomas Haggred?; labourer; age 81 [est b1730]
06 Feb 1814 - Martha Hagger (widow); of Takeley; age 84 [est b1730]


It looks like Elizabeth may have re-married. However, I can't find a burial record for John Russell, nor for Elizabeth Russell.

Marriages - Takeley

05 Nov 1802
William Harwood (x); wid otp
Elizabeth Russel; wid otp
wit: John Pope [?], Mary Savill, Thomas Bird (church clerk); banns

Baptisms - Takeley

16 Mar 1806 - Elizabeth Harwood; dau of William & Elizabeth; born 1st Dec 1805

If this Elizabeth is the daughter of Elizabeth Hagger, then the mother would have been in her mid-forties if she's the same one baptised in Gt. Hallingbury in 1759. This seems quite old so I could be very wrong. I suspect William Harwood was the widower of Rachel Clarke..

Marriages - Stansted Mountfitchet

26 Dec 1769
William Harwood (x); otp
Rachel Clarke; otp
wit: Joseph Ramsey, Thomas Riley; banns

Baptisms - Takeley

05 Jun 1774 - Rachel Hayward; dau of William & Rachel
05 Jan 1777 - James Haward; son of William & Rachel
28 Nov 1779 - William Harwood; son of William & Rachael
05 Jan 1783 - Charles Harwood; son of William & Rachael
11 Sep 1785 - John Hayward; son of William & Rachael; pauper

Burials - Takeley

07 Jan 1800 - Rachael Howard


Edit:
My thinking was that if you can find a burial or death record for Elizabeth Russell or Elizabeth Horwood the age may help determine whether that 1759 baptism is likely right or not.
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Re: John Russell & Elizabeth Haggar
« Reply #6 on: Monday 12 June 17 20:34 BST (UK) »
The first baptism of a child of James and Anne in Takeley is in 1755 (James, who appears to have died in 1756). I've looked through the Takeley marriages around this time and can't find one for James and Anne.

However, the register book does have this comment:
NB: Baptisms, marriages and burials are omitted in this register from the above date [11 Mar 1744] till August the 6th 1753. John Pensent [?] then vicar.

Looking at SEAX there doesn't seem to be any other registers for this period. The transcriptions done by Takeley Local History Society don't have any marriages for this period either. Whether they're lost or not available who knows but I suspect the marriage of James and Anne is in this period, unless it's in another parish.

Holy Trinity Church, Takeley & All Saints Church, Little Canfield - Church records:
http://www.tlcchurch.co.uk/life_records.php

There was a baptism of a James Russell in 1727 Takeley, to father James, which could the James who married Anne.

PS: There are a lot of Takeley parish transcripts on FreeReg.
https://www.freereg.org.uk/
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Re: John Russell & Elizabeth Haggar
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 13 June 17 04:55 BST (UK) »
Children of James Russell and Ann
James baptized 26 January 1755  buried 28 November 1756
Sarah bap 22 August 1756
Anne bap 13 July 1758
James bap 21 October 1760


Burial Takely
Everet Russell age 12 buried 29 May 1804 (this would likely be son of James and Elizabeth)
Sophia Russell from Takely Street buried 20 March 1802
William Russell buried 25 May 1800
James Russell buried 11 July 1796** (could be James senior or James junior)
Thomas Russell buried 2 March 1795
Thomas Russell infant buried 30 January 1791 (possible born 1790 of J & E)
Ann Russell buried 6 July 1782. (possible wife of James senior)
Susanna Russell buried 6 July 1757
Grace Russell buried 23 April 1758

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Re: John Russell & Elizabeth Haggar
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 13 June 17 08:52 BST (UK) »
For some reason I got confused as was looking for a burial of John, rather than James.

As the last child of James and Elizabeth was baptised in 1795, that burial in 1796 looks the most likely for James jnr, which would lend weight to the idea of the re-marriage of Elizabeth in 1802 to William Harwood. Unfortunately neither the 1796 or 1804 burials of the James' have any additional info.

I've had quick look for possible burials of William and Elizabeth Horwood but couldn't find anything.
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