William Thomas Landricombe - born Plymouth, abt 1857

[Dave Landy]

With so much good information in all the posts, I had forgotten that the name James came from their marriage certificate, and about the son Frederick. Thanks for the reminder.

If William is enumerated a widower along with his father in 1891, he must have remarried, as Jane was alive until 1907. It's easy to overlook the human element in all this, isn't it? Being a fisherman was a hard life, and to have his first wife leave him and his second wife die would have been a hard blow. Stories we can never know lie behind so many of these entries. Thanks again.

[osprey]

1881 there's a William Kent b. Plymouth of about the right age enumerated as married aboard a fishing vessel called Firefly which was in Penzance harbour. RG11/2348 folio 163 pg 8 (think that's the ref)

James William Kent 87 died march qtr 1892 Plymouth vol 5b pg 268
Haven't spotted William as yet in 1901. There's a William F in Plymouth but he's a Trinity Pilot so don't think it's the same man.

Not sure that William did remarry, he may just be covering up. I'll have a little look though.

[osprey]

found a possible but only way to be sure would be to get marriage cert, can't see it online.
William Kent & Harriet Bonathan East Stonehouse june qtr vol 5b pg 521

1881 census 6 Chapel St, Plymouth
Harriet Kent head mar 32 no occupation b. Buckfastleigh
Richard Bonathon son 12 b. Plymouth

death reg Harriet King 38 dec qtr 1886 vol 5b pg 165

 

[Dave Landy]

Trying to find the birth entry for the second grandson Frederick, to find his mother's maiden name. He's listed as 3yrs old in that 1871 census, but the only Frederick born in Devon is Frederick George born 1866 Dec qtr.

So could it be that our man William fathered another child who is called by his mother's surname on his birth certificate, but is being brought up by William and known as Frederick Kent?

This is seriously confusing!

[Mabel Bagshawe]

found a possible but only way to be sure would be to get marriage cert, can't see it online.
William Kent & Harriet Bonathan East Stonehouse june qtr vol 5b pg 521

1881 census 6 Chapel St, Plymouth
Harriet Kent head mar 32 no occupation b. Buckfastleigh
Richard Bonathon son 12 b. Plymouth

death reg Harriet King 38 dec qtr 1886 vol 5b pg 165

 

Interesting - the marriage is in 1881, after the census presumably, even though she's calling herself Kent

There's a William Kent around the right age, married, a fisherman on the Firefly

[osprey]

marriage was June qtr and the census was3 April so they could have married 1 April.   
The William on the Firefly was mentioned a few replies back.

 

[osprey]

the Frederick from the 1871 census could be a child of one of William's siblings.

James Henry Kent married Elizabeth Harris 21 Sep 1851 - don't think he's theirs
Jane Ann Kent married Samuel John Brown 3 June 1866 - they're in London from 1881 onwards, don't think he's theirs
Frederick Augustus Kent married Susanna Punnett 21 Oct 1861, she was born Folkestone about 1843, I think, but can't see them after marriage.
Possible marriage for Elizabeth Kent to George Lamble june qtr 1868, they don't have a Frederick with them later.
Elinor is in Moon Street in 1871 RG10/2114 folio112 pg 27 with a daughter Maude birth registered dec qtr 1869 and death dec qtr 1879. Elinor married Samuel Goss dec qtr 1876, no Frederick with them later.
Still to find George born 1829 and Henry John born 1837

[Dave Landy]

Well, William Thomas' birth certificate has arrived.

Father's name William Kent, so that doesn't give us anything we didn't already know.
Address is 16 Russell Street, Plymouth - but I haven't found a census record for mother and baby in 1861, only the one previously mentioned for the father William and the older son Frederick.

She's not with William Landricome at that point, and I've still got no idea if they did ever get married.

An unsolved mystery, I suspect.

[osprey]

Maureen found mother & baby in 1861 back in rely 7 on the first page, 46 Frankfort St, enumerated as Osborne, sister Priscilla Western with her. There isn't another Priscilla Western around so must be her.