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Re: Cloging Work Loom? Chiff?
« Reply #18 on: Thursday 15 June 17 00:39 BST (UK) »
I don't think there's any doubt the letter is a capital "c', and the word is 'cloging'. It's a classic capital 'c' in this hand.

Here's the link to the Glossary I tried before.
http://www.southpenninehistorygroup.org.uk/probate/glossaries/glossary-of-terms

chist = chest

Here's what it says about 'couch chair'
A north country term for a panel backed settle

Also 'clog' - Clog
Block of wood; the familiar meaning is a wooden-soled shoe. See also Anvil clogg.


Did they wear clogs in Yorkshire at that time?!

I've not been able to find exactly what a 'cloging workloom' was though.
The idea JenB has that it was tools for making clogs is an interesting one though.
Is there anything else in the inventory that might give any more clues? - Leather, special hammers? etc.

Hi goldie61

Thank you for the link, very good resource, and thank you for your interest in this little puzzle.

I don't know if people wore clogs in 1722 either.

There are no other tools listed on the inventory except for 'hasslements'. The main items are household goods, furniture etc and a list of over 24 debtors, who in total owe him about 50 pounds. Even his wife is listed as a debtor 'Mary Platt his wife' who owed him over 5 pounds.

He owns land that he inherited from his father, uncle and aunt and his will gives very precise locations as to were the land was.

He refers to himself as a yeoman but there is no mention of cattle, sheep or stores of crops in the inventory.

His father's inventory lists wooden looms and other items of a weavers trade, so because it was customary for trades to be passed down from father to son, I have assumed he would also be a weaver.

Maybe he was a moneylender or usurer? Otherwise, I'm at a loss as to what he did for a living.

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Karen



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Re: Cloging Work Loom? Chiff?
« Reply #19 on: Thursday 15 June 17 00:45 BST (UK) »
I know next to nothing about looms but from Google, possible meanings of 'cloging workloom' could be: a 'workloom' or tool/place for repairing/replacing damage in a woven textile caused by 'clogging' during the main industrial weaving process. Causes include broken/frayed threads, shuttle not travelling over its full range, etc. See http://bit.ly/2rgNTAY.

My more fanciful idea is calling a wooden 'flying shuttle' a 'clog' just because it looks like one to me :). Couldn't find any support for this idea though. An even more fanciful idea: 'clogging' is also a form of entertainment practiced by industrial weavers: tapping their clogs to the rhythm of a weaving shuttle. Could a 'clogging workloom' be a colloquial term for a type of loom that people 'clogged' to? ;)

Be interested to read more informed theories.

Mike

Hello Mike

So nice to see a picture of your big smile, always makes me smile in return.

You have certainly posed some good question to think about.

It must be a tool of some sought - of what type, maybe that will always be unknown

Cheers Karen
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Re: Cloging Work Loom? Chiff?
« Reply #20 on: Thursday 15 June 17 01:06 BST (UK) »
His debtors might have been his customers. The wife's debt was a bit odd though.
Being a yeoman didn't necessarily mean he was a farmer.
Where did he live?
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Re: Cloging Work Loom? Chiff?
« Reply #21 on: Thursday 15 June 17 01:07 BST (UK) »
Apparently workloom was term occasionally used to mean tools.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/workloom
So - might it be tools associated with making clogs  :-\  :-\

Hello JenB

Thank you. That is interesting.
 
Seems that it is a tool of some description and not a handloom as I had assumed.

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Re: Cloging Work Loom? Chiff?
« Reply #22 on: Thursday 15 June 17 01:25 BST (UK) »
His debtors might have been his customers. The wife's debt was a bit odd though.
Being a yeoman didn't necessarily mean he was a farmer.
Where did he live?

Hello Maiden Stone

He lived in Saddleworth. The inventory mentions an item 'for shop goods' owing to him from an unstated person, valued a 2 pounds 14 shillings and 9 pence.

Yes, isn't it odd that his wife was listed as a debtor. Although my father-in-law's will of 1987, listed his wife as a debtor.

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Re: Cloging Work Loom? Chiff?
« Reply #23 on: Thursday 15 June 17 01:42 BST (UK) »
Is the word oil in the line above "clogging workloom" ? The South Pennines History Group glossary mentions the use of oil in weaving; I couldn't find it in the list when I looked again.
If the loom(s) is/ are in the list of debts, perhaps they belonged to him and were being used by weavers who did work for him in their own home(s), 
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Re: Cloging Work Loom? Chiff?
« Reply #24 on: Thursday 15 June 17 06:43 BST (UK) »
Hello Maiden Stone

The line above the cloging workloome is 'our glasses and oyll measures' which I think is hour glasses and oil measures are perhaps containers with a spout for storing oil. These were also listed as items that someone owed to him.

I had a search of the glossary for oil and couldn't find it either, but incidentally came across the word quishion, which is a cushion. There is a word in the inventory that looks like quishon listed with the couch chear. So I think that is one more word transcribed.

Thank you for your help

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Re: Cloging Work Loom? Chiff?
« Reply #25 on: Thursday 15 June 17 08:37 BST (UK) »
Is the word oil in the line above "clogging workloom" ? The South Pennines History Group glossary mentions the use of oil in weaving; I couldn't find it in the list when I looked again.
If the loom(s) is/ are in the list of debts, perhaps they belonged to him and were being used by weavers who did work for him in their own home(s),

Hi Maiden Stone

the reference to oil in the glossery under C for Cistern (Sistron):

Often 'oil cistern' in Marsden inventories (oil was used to treat wool, or could have been for lighting).

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Re: Cloging Work Loom? Chiff?
« Reply #26 on: Thursday 15 June 17 08:47 BST (UK) »
Apparently workloom was term occasionally used to mean tools.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/workloom
So - might it be tools associated with making clogs  :-\  :-\

Hello JenB

Thank you. That is interesting.
 
Seems that it is a tool of some description and not a handloom as I had assumed.


Also supported by Bookbox in reply #17  :)
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