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Offline josey

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Re: Cloging Work Loom? Chiff?
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 14 June 17 08:08 BST (UK) »
but I am not sure that is a 'Cl' before "_oging workloomes".  :-\
You're right Ruskie it is not like the  other 'c's; but the first letter looks very like the first letter of the word before 'chear' in the last line of the second snippet. Is that word 'couch'?
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Re: Cloging Work Loom? Chiff?
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 14 June 17 08:38 BST (UK) »
Hi Ruskie

Yes I think goldie61 & josey are right - going with them anyway.

I am not sure if the word is Cloging either, how can you know for sure?

Have attached the word Chattell to compare it with Cloging. What do you think?

Could a cloging loom be a be a warp-weighted loom?

Been goggle searching looking for the meaning of the word clog and this is what might be a remote possibility:

Farlex Dictionary -  anything that impedes movement; encumbrance or hindrance.

From the Oxford Dictionary - Origin: Middle English (a weight in the sense of a ‘block of wood to impede an animal's movement' of unknown origin.

Oh! sounds cruel.

Thank you all for your interest.

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Re: Cloging Work Loom? Chiff?
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 14 June 17 08:57 BST (UK) »
I am not sure that is a 'Cl' before "_oging workloomes".  :-\

I don't know what the mystery item is either, but  I'm pretty sure the first letter is 'C',
http://www.english.cam.ac.uk/ceres/ehoc/alphabets/majuscules/C.html
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Re: Cloging Work Loom? Chiff?
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 14 June 17 09:09 BST (UK) »
Apparently workloom was term occasionally used to mean tools.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/workloom
So - might it be tools associated with making clogs  :-\  :-\
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Re: Cloging Work Loom? Chiff?
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 14 June 17 09:34 BST (UK) »
Hi JenB and Josey

I think the word before chear is couch.

The word couch originated in Middle English from the Old French noun couche, which derived from the verb meaning "to lie down, so maybe a couch chear is a chair for lying on like a chaise.

Not certain about a tool for making clogs. Have not a clear understand of what Thomas' occupation was as he only refers to himself as a yeoman, but his father's inventory listed 2 looms.

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Re: Cloging Work Loom? Chiff?
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 14 June 17 10:41 BST (UK) »
I don't think there's any doubt the letter is a capital "c', and the word is 'cloging'. It's a classic capital 'c' in this hand.

Here's the link to the Glossary I tried before.
http://www.southpenninehistorygroup.org.uk/probate/glossaries/glossary-of-terms

chist = chest

Here's what it says about 'couch chair'
A north country term for a panel backed settle

Also 'clog' - Clog
Block of wood; the familiar meaning is a wooden-soled shoe. See also Anvil clogg.


Did they wear clogs in Yorkshire at that time?!

I've not been able to find exactly what a 'cloging workloom' was though.
The idea JenB has that it was tools for making clogs is an interesting one though.
Is there anything else in the inventory that might give any more clues? - Leather, special hammers? etc.


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Offline Mike Morrell (NL)

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Re: Cloging Work Loom? Chiff?
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 14 June 17 11:40 BST (UK) »
I know next to nothing about looms but from Google, possible meanings of 'cloging workloom' could be: a 'workloom' or tool/place for repairing/replacing damage in a woven textile caused by 'clogging' during the main industrial weaving process. Causes include broken/frayed threads, shuttle not travelling over its full range, etc. See http://bit.ly/2rgNTAY.

My more fanciful idea is calling a wooden 'flying shuttle' a 'clog' just because it looks like one to me :). Couldn't find any support for this idea though. An even more fanciful idea: 'clogging' is also a form of entertainment practiced by industrial weavers: tapping their clogs to the rhythm of a weaving shuttle. Could a 'clogging workloom' be a colloquial term for a type of loom that people 'clogged' to? ;)

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Re: Cloging Work Loom? Chiff?
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 14 June 17 13:20 BST (UK) »
Yes, I now see that the first letter is a C - the same as Chattel.  :)

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Re: Cloging Work Loom? Chiff?
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 14 June 17 13:29 BST (UK) »
Apparently workloom was term occasionally used to mean tools.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/workloom
So - might it be tools associated with making clogs  :-\  :-\

The Oxford English Dictionary might support that theory ...

clogging, n.
2a. The action of soling with wooden soles

work-loom, n.
Chiefly Sc. Now rare.
A tool or implement, esp. one used in manual labour