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Offline brianz

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Last line of a Will
« on: Wednesday 14 June 17 09:41 BST (UK) »
I have almost finished transcribing a will but am stuck on the last line. It seems to have some abbreviations which I do not recognise, I have as far as,

Betwene them. Item I give to Alice bonde  ?????????? ???  I give to ?? John  ??? ? ???? John

Also the last word on the line above seems to be a contraction for something help please.

Thanks  Steve
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Brackenbury, Gurnell and Willson in Lincolnshire and now Nottinghamshire
Marples in Derbyshire and Yorkshire
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Re: Last line of a Will
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 14 June 17 10:53 BST (UK) »
It's amounts of money
Item I give to Alice bonde xxxiij s iiijd. I give to Sir John ace vj s viij d Sir John Ace pres(en)t beinge witnes.

xxxiij s iiijd = 33 shillings and 4pence.
vj s viijd = 6 shillings and 8 pence

The last 'i' for 1, was always converted into a 'j'

The line above alice bonde says
...whome I will to have iiij l betwene them

iij l = 4 pounds
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Re: Last line of a Will
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 14 June 17 10:53 BST (UK) »
Item I give to Alice bonde 33s 4d I give to S(u)r? John Loe 6s 8d S(u)r? John Loe prest being witness.

The contraction in  the line above is also an amount.

Looking forward to replies about the S(u)r as not sure I've got it right!

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PENDAL & variants: Suffolk; Bardwell, Tannington, Weybread, Dennington & Worlingworth
ELLINOR: Suffolk; Redgrave/ Gislingham.
GRAYSTON: Suffolk; Ipswich.
GIRLING: Suffolk; Stradbroke/Ipswich
HAWES: Suffolk; Harkstead/Holbrook/Capel St Mary/Ipswich
BECK: Co Durham; Chopwell & Northumberland; Newcastle upon Tyne.
MILLER: Cumberland; Mawbray/Hayrigg/ Silloth.
FAIRLAM: Co Durham; Allendale Cottages, Low Westwood, Milkwell Burn.
WESTGARTH: Co Durham; Bishop Auckland

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Re: Last line of a Will
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 14 June 17 10:57 BST (UK) »
Thank you Goldie, good to find out where I've not got it right.
A great site for learning more!
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PENDAL & variants: Suffolk; Bardwell, Tannington, Weybread, Dennington & Worlingworth
ELLINOR: Suffolk; Redgrave/ Gislingham.
GRAYSTON: Suffolk; Ipswich.
GIRLING: Suffolk; Stradbroke/Ipswich
HAWES: Suffolk; Harkstead/Holbrook/Capel St Mary/Ipswich
BECK: Co Durham; Chopwell & Northumberland; Newcastle upon Tyne.
MILLER: Cumberland; Mawbray/Hayrigg/ Silloth.
FAIRLAM: Co Durham; Allendale Cottages, Low Westwood, Milkwell Burn.
WESTGARTH: Co Durham; Bishop Auckland


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Re: Last line of a Will
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 14 June 17 11:29 BST (UK) »
Thanks to both of you for sorting that out, like they say you live and learn and this is a great forum for doing just that

Steve
Hannam in London, Nottinghamshire and Sheffield
Collins in Staffordshire
Brackenbury, Gurnell and Willson in Lincolnshire and now Nottinghamshire
Marples in Derbyshire and Yorkshire
Heginbotham in Derbyshire

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Re: Last line of a Will
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 14 June 17 12:27 BST (UK) »
"Another effigy in the north chapel is of Sir John Loe and his lady."

St Andrew's, Chew Magna http://cs.mcgill.ca/~rwest/wikispeedia/wpcd/wp/c/Chew_Magna.htm

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Re: Last line of a Will
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 18 May 23 17:55 BST (UK) »
I know this query was several years ago but I've just come across it by accident and thought I'd comment in case anyone is still interested. The last person named is definitely Sr John Ace not Loe. At this time S(i)r did not necessarily signify a knight, it was often used for a priest. Thats what the "prest" in the last line means. The testator lived in Wimborne Minster and there had been, until its dissolution a few years earlier, a Great Chantry locally which had several chaplains, one of which was John Ace or Ase. It seems pretty likely he's the man in the will. He may have been in need of a bit of support, if he hadn't been able to find another post.

 See https://archive.org/stream/VictoriaHistoryofTheCountyofDorset/VictoriaHistoryofTheCountyofDorset_djvu.txt  (search for "Ace")

(The name Hannam was found in Chew Magna and there was a Sir John buried there, but his surname was actually Saint Loe.)

David