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llanrug and llanddeiniolen burials
« on: Wednesday 14 June 17 20:36 BST (UK) »
hi.
i have discovered family members buried in the above area ! llanrug and llanddeiniolen!

i am local to caernarfon.  but not sure of the locations if both .  my grandfather Robert williams was buried in llanrug in 1822.
anyone please tell me where to start the search please

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Re: llanrug and llanddeiniolen burials
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 15 June 17 11:55 BST (UK) »
Hi
I am not a local but in my younger days visited relatives in the area. I am guessing that Robert Williams could have been buried at St Michael's Church near Llanrug (post code LL55 4RB). St Deiniolen Cemetery is on a small road off the B4366. Take the Bethel Road out of Caernarfon and when you reach the crossroads at Gors Bach Inn turn right, the cemetery is sign posted. Looking at the cemeteries on Google Earth they look very large and there might be a chance that the gravestone might not exist, an alternative might be to obtain the MI booklet or microfiche from Gwynedd Family History Society based in Caernarfon.

I assume you have already seen the parish record for Robert's burial. From the note attached there would seem to be an intriguing story since it mentions Hugh Roberts of Cwm y glo (assumed to be Robert's son) was drowned in Llanberis lake and buried a couple of days after his father in Llanddeiniolen.

Glyn
Jones - Penmachno/Blaenau Ffestiniog/Capel Garmon
Thomas - Abererch/Porthmadog
Evans - Llangelynin/Llanaelhaern
Jones - Pwllheli/Abererch
Brammer - Lincolnshire/Nottinghamshire
Robb - London/Scotland

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Re: llanrug and llanddeiniolen burials
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 15 June 17 12:40 BST (UK) »
hi glyn.  thanks for the response.  i did ask around about the note in Robert williams about hugh roberts..
but woukdnt hugh be Williams?

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Re: llanrug and llanddeiniolen burials
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 15 June 17 14:59 BST (UK) »
Hi

You are now getting into the interesting period when patronymics were still in play, especially in  the 1780's  when Hugh was born. Instead of using the fixed surname which was the norm in England many in Wales took their surname from their father's christian name. Further back in time Hugh would have been named Hugh ap Robert (Hugh son of Robert) by the time he was actually born this was contracted to Hugh Roberts.

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Jones - Penmachno/Blaenau Ffestiniog/Capel Garmon
Thomas - Abererch/Porthmadog
Evans - Llangelynin/Llanaelhaern
Jones - Pwllheli/Abererch
Brammer - Lincolnshire/Nottinghamshire
Robb - London/Scotland


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Re: llanrug and llanddeiniolen burials
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 15 June 17 15:07 BST (UK) »
wow..  thats another avenue for. my searching... cheers... Diolch

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Re: llanrug and llanddeiniolen burials
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 15 June 17 15:27 BST (UK) »
Hi
Just a couple of things to be aware of during this period when many areas were changing from the patronymic to fixed surnames.
Siblings may take different form of surname. I have an ancestor called Owen Jones who had two sons born around the same time as Hugh. One was called Thomas Owen and the other Henry Jones.
Some changed from the patronymic to the fixed surname. Another ancestor John Williams had a son also called John also born around the same time as Hugh. When he married John was called John Jones (Jones being the patronymic form of John) a year later at the birth of his daughter he had become John Williams.

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Jones - Penmachno/Blaenau Ffestiniog/Capel Garmon
Thomas - Abererch/Porthmadog
Evans - Llangelynin/Llanaelhaern
Jones - Pwllheli/Abererch
Brammer - Lincolnshire/Nottinghamshire
Robb - London/Scotland

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Re: llanrug and llanddeiniolen burials
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 15 June 17 15:32 BST (UK) »
thank you for the input.... means a lot..

neil

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Re: llanrug and llanddeiniolen burials
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 15 June 17 16:08 BST (UK) »
Hi Neil

Just Googled Bryn Farm Llanfair-is-gaer and thought this might be worth checking:
http://yba.llgc.org.uk/en/s-GRIF-DAV-1794.html
The daughter mentioned who David Griffith married and took over the farm might be Robert Williams' daughter.

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Jones - Penmachno/Blaenau Ffestiniog/Capel Garmon
Thomas - Abererch/Porthmadog
Evans - Llangelynin/Llanaelhaern
Jones - Pwllheli/Abererch
Brammer - Lincolnshire/Nottinghamshire
Robb - London/Scotland

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Re: llanrug and llanddeiniolen burials
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 15 June 17 16:17 BST (UK) »
thank you very much....  ive had a look,  but dont understand it.  lol...
dont think it states the daughters name does it?

so in short.  daughter of bryn farm married a Griffiths?