Please help find second wife of Ebenezer Jenner (1844 - 1902)

[Olicana]

Ebenezer Jenner (1844 - 1902) was widowed abt July 1888 in West Ham. By 1891, he had a second wife, Helen I (or J) Jenner, who died in 1894 aged 38. I am trying to find out who she was.

I have seen suggestions that she was Helen Isabella Clever or Templing. I found a possible marriage abt Oct 1888 to a Helen Isabella Cleaver or Cleaves, but no birth for that name, so perhaps Helen was born Templing, married Mr Cleaver, was widowed and then married Ebenezer. An Ellen Isabella Templing was born abt Oct 1855 in Stepney, so I am looking for a Templing/Cleaver marriage between 1874 and 1887.

[cuffie81]

Marriage details:

All Saints, West Ham
No: 371
17th Dec 1888
Ebenezer Jenner; 44; widower; Customs officer; 14 Skier? Street; f: George Jenner (dec), tailor
Helen* Isabella Cleaver; 33; widow; [no occ]; 14 Skier? Street; f: Benjamin Templing?, tobacconist

Witnesses: Henry Williams?, Sarah Jane Parker; after banns by John J? Mitchell?

* Name written as Ellen, crossed out and Helen written above

Ebenezer, Helen and both witnesses all signed their names.


This looks like Ellen/Helen in 1861 & 1871, with parents Benjamin (cabdriver; newsagent) and Elizabeth M.

1861 census - Mile End Old Town
Ref Ref RG09; Piece 293; Folio 183; Page 23

1871 census - Mile End Old Town
Ref RG10; Piece 557; Folio 147; Page 33


Possible GRO birth registrations:

1845 Q4 Birth - George Benjamin Templing (mmn: Elnor); Lambeth; 04; 314
1847 Q3 Birth - Benjamin Elnor Templing (mmn: Elnor); Lambeth; 04; 310
1849 Q3 Birth - Frederick Joseph Templing (mmn: Elnor); Lambeth; 04; 311
1851 Q3 Birth - Frances Elizabeth Templing (mmn: Elnor); St Mary Newington; 04; 392
1853 Q3 Birth - Sarah Jane Templing (mmn: Elnor); Lambeth; 01d; 243
1855 Q4 Birth - Ellen Isabella Templing (mmn: Elnor); Stepney; 01c; 463
1857 Q3 Birth - Alfred Templing (mmn: Elnor); Stepney; 01c; 458

GRO death registrations of Ellen/Helen and Ebenezer:

1894 Q4 Death - Helen Isabella Jenner; age 38 (b1856); Stepney; 01c; 258
1902 Q4 Death - Ebenezer Jenner; age 58 (b1844); West Ham; 04a; 36


The marriage witness Sarah Jane Parker may have been Ellen/Helen's sister:

Possible GRO marriage registrations:
1878 Q3 Marriage - Sarah Jane Templing and Thomas Charles Parker; Mile End; 1c; 902

Update:
St Peter, Mile End Old Town
No: 286
8th Sep 1878
Thomas Charles Parker; fa; bach; stevedore; St Peter, Stepney; f: Charles Parker, builder
Sarah Jane Templing; fa; spin; [no occ]; St Peter, Stepney; f: Benjamin Templing, newsagent

Witnesses: Benjamin Templing, Ann Parker; after banns by Francis H Dinnis?

[Olicana]

Thank you for all the information cuffie 81

Any idea when the Templing/Cleaver marriage took place?

[cuffie81]

No, I haven't had any luck finding Ellen/Helen's previous marriage. I couldn't find any children named Cleaver (with mmn Templing) either.

Just a thought but could Ellen/Helen have been married twice before? There's no indication of this on the marriage to Ebenezer but it might explain why we can't find a marriage between Templing/Cleaver.


I had a look for marriages of siblings, hoping that Ellen/Helen may have been a witness but I've only found (edit) 2 so far and Ellen/Helen wasn't a witness at either.

Marriage of sister:
1879 Q2 Marriage - Elizabeth Frances Templing & John Henry Arliss; Polar; 1c; 1044
Witnesses: Frank Arliss, Mary Ann Brown

Marriage of brother:
1878 Q2 Marriage - Alfred Templing & Sophia Rollinson; Mile End; 1c; 887
Witnesses: : W H Hole, Eliza Lewis?

[Olicana]

I suppose she might have been married twice before, although I can't find any record of a Helen/Ellen Isabella Templing marrying anyone at all...

Thank you for all your help anyway

[Jomot]

I haven't found her marriage but she was baptised as an adult at St Giles, Oxford on 25 March 1886

Ellen Isabella d/o Benjamin & Elizabeth Templing, 37 Portland Street, Commercial Road, Stepney, London, Newsagent.  Note in margin states "Adult, married name Cleaver"

[Olicana]

Thank you Jomot

How strange! She would have been about 30 then and far from home; the rest of her family all seem to be centred around Stepney. Perhaps the elusive Mr Cleaver came from Oxford...