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Gare's from Waipori
« on: Saturday 17 June 17 07:05 BST (UK) »
John Gare b . jan 1843,   d. 1918 and was married to Isobella Russell b1852  d 1893 and burried at Waipori cemetry;   I have a place of Cumberland as a maybe place of birth, ??
I am trying to find Isobella's parents ;

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Re: Gare's from Waipori
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 17 June 17 07:20 BST (UK) »
Hello ospan,

You may be lucky with the birth place when obtaining a printout for one of the children born after  October 1875.....


1875/12941   Gare   John Samuel   Isabella   John   -   

1891/16262   Gare   Robert Boyd Walker   Isabella   John   -   

1887/18369   Gare   Samuel Stewart   Isabella   John   -   

1879/7881   Gare   William Hayes   Isabella   John   -   
1882/8639   Gare   David Hunter   Isabella   John      


https://bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/dataCollected/birth

Have you obtained a death printout for Isabella? This may also contain some useful information, although only as accurate as the knowledge of the person providing the details.

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HAMMOND, Cainham/Caynham, Shropshire, U.K. Otago-NZ.
GALBRAITH, Ireland, Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Kensington-London, U.K.
GRANT, Sct., Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Vancouver, Canada.
GLASS, Aberdeenshire, Otago-NZ.
CAIRNEY/CARNEY/KEARNEY/Ireland, Airdrie, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
O'BRIEN Mary Ann, Limerick, Otago-NZ.
NICOL(L) James, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
SCOTT Thomas, Shetland, Otago-NZ.
MCHARDY/MCHARDIE Euphemia, Scotland, Otago-NZ.

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Re: Gare's from Waipori
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 17 June 17 08:06 BST (UK) »
This does not answer your question about Isabella but is an informative obituary about her husband......

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/TT19180105.2.17?query=gare

Obituary mentions six sons [only five found] & a daughter also not found in the NZ BDM on line index.

Her marriage:

1903/6270   Jessie Margaret   Gare         John   Tippett

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/TT19031021.2.15?query=gare

Minniehaha.
HAMMOND, Cainham/Caynham, Shropshire, U.K. Otago-NZ.
GALBRAITH, Ireland, Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Kensington-London, U.K.
GRANT, Sct., Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Vancouver, Canada.
GLASS, Aberdeenshire, Otago-NZ.
CAIRNEY/CARNEY/KEARNEY/Ireland, Airdrie, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
O'BRIEN Mary Ann, Limerick, Otago-NZ.
NICOL(L) James, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
SCOTT Thomas, Shetland, Otago-NZ.
MCHARDY/MCHARDIE Euphemia, Scotland, Otago-NZ.

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Re: Gare's from Waipori
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 17 June 17 10:41 BST (UK) »
http://waipori.nz/cemetery/
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82 GARE Isabella d.15 Apr.1893 41yrs
dau of James Russell & Jeanette Hunter (?) m. John Gare

Could she have been Scottish?

children of James Russell and Janet Hunter:
Alexander 1844: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XYZP-6JW
John 1846: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XYZP-72R
James 1848: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XYZP-ZZ9
Isabella 1851: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XYC7-ZQ1

This family seem to have come to Victoria in 1852 on the FLORA, minus John (died young?)
https://www.prov.vic.gov.au/explore-collection/explore-topic/passenger-records-and-immigration/assisted-passenger-lists
James, 29
Janet, 24
Alexander, 8
James, 3
Isabella, infant.

https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/indexsearch.doj
A Janette Hunter, parents James and Janette, died in 1854 -
A James Russell died in 1871, listing parents as Alexander and Jannet (nee Hunter), aged 48 - this may be the father James, and the index has mixed up wife and mother's names.

So if this is the right Isabella, she must have come from Victoria to NZ at some point - perhaps following a brother?
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Re: Gare's from Waipori
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 18 June 17 00:21 BST (UK) »
Go to Archives and look up Samuel Gare's WW1 record. It gives details about the parents as told by Samuel.

https://archway.archives.govt.nz/

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Jean
Fawcett, Down; Gibson, Ayrshire and Tasmania; James, Cornwall and Victoria Aus; Cox, Northamptonshire, Thomas, Gloucestershire; Albury, Berkshire,

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Re: Gare's from Waipori
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 18 June 17 00:59 BST (UK) »
Further to reply #4.....

The Mrs. J. W. Gare mentioned as next of kin would appear to be Samuel's wife?

Marriage:

1923/1906   Jessie Wyness   Mitchell   Samuel Stewart   Gare

Direct link to WW1 file:

https://archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=16784959&digital=yes

[Parents shown on File page 15]

Same birth year for Samuel Stewart Gare [1887] but mother shown as Elizabeth. See NZ BDM records at reply #1, mother recorded as Isabella.

Minniehaha.
HAMMOND, Cainham/Caynham, Shropshire, U.K. Otago-NZ.
GALBRAITH, Ireland, Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Kensington-London, U.K.
GRANT, Sct., Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Vancouver, Canada.
GLASS, Aberdeenshire, Otago-NZ.
CAIRNEY/CARNEY/KEARNEY/Ireland, Airdrie, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
O'BRIEN Mary Ann, Limerick, Otago-NZ.
NICOL(L) James, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
SCOTT Thomas, Shetland, Otago-NZ.
MCHARDY/MCHARDIE Euphemia, Scotland, Otago-NZ.

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Re: Gare's from Waipori
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 18 June 17 01:15 BST (UK) »
The date of Samuel's birth was 17.12.1886.

His WW1 records show this as being 17.9.1887.


Minniehaha.
HAMMOND, Cainham/Caynham, Shropshire, U.K. Otago-NZ.
GALBRAITH, Ireland, Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Kensington-London, U.K.
GRANT, Sct., Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Vancouver, Canada.
GLASS, Aberdeenshire, Otago-NZ.
CAIRNEY/CARNEY/KEARNEY/Ireland, Airdrie, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
O'BRIEN Mary Ann, Limerick, Otago-NZ.
NICOL(L) James, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
SCOTT Thomas, Shetland, Otago-NZ.
MCHARDY/MCHARDIE Euphemia, Scotland, Otago-NZ.

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Re: Gare's from Waipori
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 18 June 17 05:41 BST (UK) »
If John Gare was born in Somerset, as his son Samuel says in his attestation for WW1, then his mother's maiden name is Hayes. See GRO at https://www.gro.gov.uk/.
This explains the Hayes in the name of the second son, William Hayes.
Now, of the remaining children, which one has a surname as a second christian name?
Jorose's message about James Russell and Janet Hunter would fulfill this - David Hunter Gare

Regards
Jean

PS, The other two children are listed under the name of Gear 
Alexander George 1877/13968
Jessie Margaret 1884/16215
Fawcett, Down; Gibson, Ayrshire and Tasmania; James, Cornwall and Victoria Aus; Cox, Northamptonshire, Thomas, Gloucestershire; Albury, Berkshire,

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Re: Gare's from Waipori
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 18 June 17 21:52 BST (UK) »

John Gare b . jan 1843,   d. 1918 and was married to Isobella Russell b1852  d 1893 and burried at Waipori cemetry;  I have a place of Cumberland as a maybe place of birth, ??
I am trying to find Isobella's parents ;

Hi ospan

There are numerous online trees for the GARE family of Waipori (@ ancestry.com).

Cumbernauld, Dunbartonshire, Scotland, is given as the birthplace of Isabella RUSSELL (and also as the marriage place of her parents.)

    ~  Lu