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Offline Liviani

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What does FR[xxx] mean on SP?
« on: Sunday 18 June 17 16:19 BST (UK) »
I've come across a few records in the OPRs on SP in my research that have this "FR" after the names?

Here is an example in a baptism record. There are two entries listed and they are as follows;

CLOUDSLY
GILES
ANDREW CLOUDSLY/ANNE AIR FR183 (FR183)
0
16/01/1785
286/
10 142
Farnell

CLOUDSLY
GILES
ANDREW CLOUDSLY/ANNE AIR
0
16/01/1785
286/
10 250
Farnell

In the second entry there is no "FR". I wonder why there are two listed here when the dates, names and location is the same?

Many thanks,
Jill.
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Re: What does FR[xxx] mean on SP?
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 18 June 17 18:04 BST (UK) »
'FR' is short for 'Frame'.

I am not 100% sure how this came about, but I do know that in the old International Genealogical Index, and also the old LDS indexes to baptisms and marriages, it means that the entry is out of chronological sequence in the original register.

When the registers were microfilmed by the LDS many years ago, each page was automatically assigned a frame number. Presumably when the contents were indexed, the indexers were told to add the frame number if any entry was out of sequence.

My understanding is that when the GROS first started to computerise their indexes, they used the indexes the LDS had already created. They have since corrected and modified them, and added more information, but occasionally an old piece of information will crop up.

So the FR numbers are only useful if you are trying to find an entry using a microfilm. If you are using the online system at Scotland's People, they have no use or relevance and can safely be ignored.

As for there being two entries with different numbers, this looks as if the parish clerk has forgotten that he had already recorded this baptism and made a duplicate entry, or he has written it down again because there was something extra to be added. You'd need to look at both to see if the later one is different.
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Re: What does FR[xxx] mean on SP?
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 18 June 17 18:33 BST (UK) »
Many thanks Forfarian. This is useful to know, so I'll just ignore these from now on.

I've looked at both images and apparently Giles is a girl.  ;D  I had wrongly assumed that this child is 100% male.

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Kincardineshire
Sheret, Hosie, Valentine, Crow, Beattie, McArthur, Wyllie.
Angus (Forfarshire)
Adam, Valentine, Ewan, Elder, Guild, Kydd, Bradford, Stronner, Gibson, Cloudsley, Evans, Stewart, Stott.
Perthshire
Small, Robertson, Murray, Kennedy, McGregor
Ross & Cromarty
Cameron, Stewart, Grant
Banffshire - Gamrie
Anderson, Massie

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Re: What does FR[xxx] mean on SP?
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 18 June 17 18:33 BST (UK) »
And here is the second image

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Kincardineshire
Sheret, Hosie, Valentine, Crow, Beattie, McArthur, Wyllie.
Angus (Forfarshire)
Adam, Valentine, Ewan, Elder, Guild, Kydd, Bradford, Stronner, Gibson, Cloudsley, Evans, Stewart, Stott.
Perthshire
Small, Robertson, Murray, Kennedy, McGregor
Ross & Cromarty
Cameron, Stewart, Grant
Banffshire - Gamrie
Anderson, Massie


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Re: What does FR[xxx] mean on SP?
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 18 June 17 18:38 BST (UK) »
Yes, Gil(l)es is often -usually - a girl.

So are Nicholas, Cameron, Gordon, Stewart and various others we would now think of as masculine names. That's one reason why it is important to look at originals!
Never trust anything you find online (especially submitted trees and transcriptions on Ancestry, MyHeritage, FindMyPast and other commercial web sites) unless it's an image of an original document - and even then be wary because errors can and do occur.

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Re: What does FR[xxx] mean on SP?
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 18 June 17 18:46 BST (UK) »
Oh dear, I'll be there all day. lol

Incidentally it looks like 'Giles' died aged 21 in 1806 this time they are noted as 'Gillie'.

CLOUDSLY
GILLIE
-----
21
25/10/1806
308/
10 241
Maryton
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Kincardineshire
Sheret, Hosie, Valentine, Crow, Beattie, McArthur, Wyllie.
Angus (Forfarshire)
Adam, Valentine, Ewan, Elder, Guild, Kydd, Bradford, Stronner, Gibson, Cloudsley, Evans, Stewart, Stott.
Perthshire
Small, Robertson, Murray, Kennedy, McGregor
Ross & Cromarty
Cameron, Stewart, Grant
Banffshire - Gamrie
Anderson, Massie