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Latin - part of court case
« on: Tuesday 20 June 17 01:34 BST (UK) »
This is from a court case concerning Henry and John Ford.
I can't even make out their names anywhere.  :-\
There is a Benjamin Ford mentioned in clip 3.
I'd be grateful for the gist of the piece if possible - and where Benjamin Ford fits into it.
I can see 'February one thousand six hundred' at the end - what's the rest?

Many thanks.
I'll send the clip on 2 posts.
Lane, Burgess: Cheshire. Finney, Rogers, Gilman:Derbys
Cochran, Nicol, Paton, Bruce:Scotland. Bertolle:London
Bainbridge, Christman, Jeffs: Staffs

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Re: Latin - part of court case
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 20 June 17 01:36 BST (UK) »
Second two.
Lane, Burgess: Cheshire. Finney, Rogers, Gilman:Derbys
Cochran, Nicol, Paton, Bruce:Scotland. Bertolle:London
Bainbridge, Christman, Jeffs: Staffs

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Re: Latin - part of court case
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 20 June 17 05:48 BST (UK) »
In clip 3, not Benjamin but Henricum fford.

Henricum should be the accusative singular present tense of Henricus = Henry.

I will send you a PM in a moment.

ADDED:

Other names visible:

Gervasio Bennet
Roger ?
ffranciscus Jackson
(he may be the same man as Roger above)
Rogero Allestry
Robtus Bennet
John Wyther
Georgio Eyre
Henrico [kinveton?]

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Re: Latin - part of court case
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 20 June 17 10:21 BST (UK) »
Thanks HD.
At least you managed to find some names, and solved the
'Benjamin' puzzle!  :)
My fault, I should have looked at the name more closely.
Lane, Burgess: Cheshire. Finney, Rogers, Gilman:Derbys
Cochran, Nicol, Paton, Bruce:Scotland. Bertolle:London
Bainbridge, Christman, Jeffs: Staffs


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Re: Latin - part of court case
« Reply #4 on: Friday 30 June 17 11:24 BST (UK) »
Does this still need doing?

It’s just a procedural document (a dedimus, I think). This was issued by the court to allow someone who was not an appointed judge to record the Answer of a defendant if they lived more than 20 miles from London.

The defendant was Henry Ford. If this link below is the relevant case, it appears to be dated 1648, which would fit with what I can see of the date given in your extracts.
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C5325693

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Re: Latin - part of court case
« Reply #5 on: Friday 30 June 17 23:35 BST (UK) »
Hi Bookbox.
Thanks for your reply.
HD managed to see it was Henry (and not Benjamin as I had thought), which cleared up that.
No more has been translated, so thanks for your explanation of what it is.
It is indeed from the Henry Ford case of 1648 at National Archives, and there are many other documents, in English, which tell me what it's all about, so if this one tells me nothing more pertinent, (no place names mentioned?), I'm happy to not have the whole thing translated.

Could you just clear up what the last wording is in the date at the end of it?
I can see 'decimo nono die Februarij Anno Diu(?) mille?? sex cent e??? '
Where's the words for '48'?
Many thanks
Lane, Burgess: Cheshire. Finney, Rogers, Gilman:Derbys
Cochran, Nicol, Paton, Bruce:Scotland. Bertolle:London
Bainbridge, Christman, Jeffs: Staffs

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Re: Latin - part of court case
« Reply #6 on: Friday 30 June 17 23:56 BST (UK) »
Could you just clear up what the last wording is in the date at the end of it?
I can see 'decimo nono die Februarij Anno Diu(?) mille?? sex cent e??? '
Where's the words for '48'?

quadragessimo octavo
(48) appears as the last two words of extract 1. The text that immediately precedes it should be at the end of extract 2 – so I wonder if something is missing? Extract 2 finishes Apud W, where you would expect an abbreviation for ‘Westminster’, followed by the day and month, as in extracts 3-4 ... apud Westm’ decimo nono die Februarij Anno D(omi)ni Mille(si)mo sexcentessimo... It's puzzling.

ADDED - no place names, apart from Westminster.

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Re: Latin - part of court case
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 01 July 17 23:16 BST (UK) »
I don't have an image of the whole thing in one piece, but what I think has happened is the first part of the date - the 'day in February one thousand six hundred' is at the end of the line of the whole piece on Clip 4, then the 'forty eight' is at the start of the new line - which goes back to Clip 1.
I don't know if I've explained that very well!
It is a very long thin piece of paper going horizontally (well, parchment I guess).

Thanks for your help Bookbox.
Lane, Burgess: Cheshire. Finney, Rogers, Gilman:Derbys
Cochran, Nicol, Paton, Bruce:Scotland. Bertolle:London
Bainbridge, Christman, Jeffs: Staffs

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Re: Latin - part of court case
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 01 July 17 23:30 BST (UK) »
I don't know if I've explained that very well!

Perfectly, and I also think that's the most likely explanation!