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Hi there chatters - Henry Howard 2nd Viscount of Bindon
« on: Friday 23 June 17 05:27 BST (UK) »
I am looking for information about where Henry Howard 2nd Viscount of Bindon was buried. He died 1590/1 probably at East Lulworth Dorset.  I am not finding much out there in cyberspace.  Anyone have information?  I am wondering if a strange tower that was located at St. Andrew's church was his tomb.  Anyone know and have documentation?
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« Reply #1 on: Friday 23 June 17 06:21 BST (UK) »
 Born: 1542

Acceded: 1582

Died: 16 Jan 1590

Father: Thomas HOWARD (1 V. Bindon)

Mother: Elizabeth MARNEY

Married: Frances MEAUTYS (V. Bindon) (dau. of Sir Peter Meauwtys and Jane Ashley)

Son : Douglas HOWARD

He died at Suffolk House, Charing Cross, London, and was buried on 10 June that year in Saffron Walden.

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Re: Hi there chatters
« Reply #2 on: Friday 23 June 17 06:41 BST (UK) »
There might be some information here:

http://www.eastlulworth.org.uk/
Howard , Viney , Kingsman, Pain/e, Rainer/ Rayner, Barham, George, Wakeling (Catherine), Vicary (Frederick)   all LDN area/suburbs  Ottley/ MDX,
Henman/ KNT   Gandy/LDN before 1830  Burgess/LDN
Barham/SFK   Rainer/CAN (Toronto) Gillians/CAN  Sturgeon/CAN (Vancouver)
Bailey/LDN Page/KNT   Paling/WA (var)



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Re: Hi there chatters - Henry Howard 2nd Viscount of Bindon
« Reply #3 on: Friday 23 June 17 10:41 BST (UK) »
www.thepeerage.com goes back several generations of Henry Howards Family.
Search under Howard of Bindon

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Re: Hi there chatters - Henry Howard 2nd Viscount of Bindon
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 24 June 17 04:04 BST (UK) »
Thanks to all of you for answering.  I am interested having a citation for his death.  Solidrock, you mentioned:

He died at Suffolk House, Charing Cross, London, and was buried on 10 June that year in Saffron Walden.

Where can I cite back on this?  Thanks again everyone.  This is a great place to come together.

I am working on an article about Henry Howard's property in Lulworth, and the fact that he seemed to be involved with pirates.  He also was apparently insane and spent some time in prison.  Sigh . . .
I always seem to come upon the colorful characters. 

Just to share a little here,  there was a conical tower built at Lulworth St. Andrew in front of the Church of St. Andrew.  Sparrow drew a cartouche depicting this tower. He drew it as a tall pyramid.  It has been suggested that it might have been a tomb. Some thought it might have been Henry's or his father-in-law John Marney's tomb.  Hutchins wrote the most interesting description of it, just calling it a tower.  In the medieval period, LSA was located west of Gatemerston, and now is on the MOD Tank Range, so it isn't accessible except with permission and an escort by the military.

Oh, by-the-way, I know this is hard to believe, but Douglas was actually a daughter, not a son.

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Re: Hi there chatters - Henry Howard 2nd Viscount of Bindon
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 24 June 17 05:33 BST (UK) »
http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/Bios/HenryHoward(2VBindon).htm

Sorry the death and burial was for Theophilus Howard.

You've got me interested now Newberrychaser. I spent a lot of my childhood visiting the Lulworth, my father was a friend of the Sturmey's who lived and worked on the Lulworth estate. It's a long time ago now but I still remember the stories of the "Grey Lady" who was supposed to haunt the castle. I'll do some digging to see what I can find for you. Could he be buried in the Howard Chapel, Lambeth or at Marnhull with his father or Bindon with his brother Thomas?

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Re: Hi there chatters - Henry Howard 2nd Viscount of Bindon
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 24 June 17 07:29 BST (UK) »
Hello Again Solidrock:

I am happy to discuss Lulworth with you.  I have been working on a paper about Dorset and the Newburghs for quite a few years. Knowing someone else who has spent time there is marvelous.  My web site is:

www.worldwidenewburghproject.com

I don't always put all my research up there, but have only been working on it for a couple of years.  Hope to hear more from you.

 ;D :D
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Re: Hi there chatters - Henry Howard 2nd Viscount of Bindon
« Reply #7 on: Friday 08 September 17 23:50 BST (UK) »
Hello again chatters:

Just received the IPM for Henry Howard all translated.  No place of burial was indicated again.  Sigh . . .  Maybe being engaged with pirates, they buried him at sea. . .  Just a guess, don't take this as the truth, as I am just postulating for lack of evidence still.
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Re: Hi there chatters - Henry Howard 2nd Viscount of Bindon
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 09 September 17 02:49 BST (UK) »
Hello Again Solidrock:

I am happy to discuss Lulworth with you.  I have been working on a paper about Dorset and the Newburghs for quite a few years. Knowing someone else who has spent time there is marvelous.  My web site is:

www.worldwidenewburghproject.com

I don't always put all my research up there, but have only been working on it for a couple of years.  Hope to hear more from you.

 ;D :D

In your link, this section http://www.worldwidenewburghproject.com/e-lulworth-and-winfrith-newburgh.html
You quote 'Leland' but do not cite which 'Itinerary', just that it is one of two of your sources from either '1790' or '1835'. Is the '1835' source a reference to the 'Hitchens' you mention?
Your 'Leland' hyperlink takes us to 'The Itinerary of John Leland the Antiquary ...[published] 1711' ?


Quote 'Leland' (from your link)
Leland described the manor as follows:
"The goodly Maner Place of the Newborowes Lordes of East Lilleworth is hard by the Paroch Chirch.  The Newborows Sepulchres were at Byndon Abbay wherof they were Founders.  The laste of that Name, whos doughter and Heyre (heir) was maried to Syr Henry Marney, dyid in Essex or Southfolk and there was byried.  There stondith a Tumbe (tomb) in East Lilleworth Chirch that was erectid for his Buryal."

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The above seems to suggest that a tomb was erected at Lulworth Parish Church, but that the Newborows/Nuburgh? chap it was intended for died in Essex or Suffolk, that he was buried in Essex or Suffolk and that he was the last of the line.

Interesting site. Are you attempting to connect the Dorset landowning Nuburghs to the New England Thomas and Richard Newberrys ?