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Re: Cannot find any record of my Grandfather
« Reply #18 on: Monday 26 June 17 17:24 BST (UK) »
Found these additional possible children
WRIGHT, LILIAN  MAY     TROUT     
GRO Reference: 1911  S Quarter in KINGS NORTON  Volume 06C  Page 743
WRIGHT, JAMES  ARTHUR     TROUT     
GRO Reference: 1913  D Quarter in KINGS NORTON  Volume 06D  Page 14
WRIGHT, ALBERT  GEORGE     TROUT     
GRO Reference: 1915  S Quarter in ASTON  Volume 06D  Page 816

If Fanny was 64 in 1942, she was born ca 1877 [as held out by 1939 free info from Galium]. She would have been 44 in 1921, so not out of the question - just a late surprise  ;)
Seeking: baptism Philip Murray 1813 nr Chatham Kent, death Ralph James Dunn b 1808 1861 - 1868 in Newington 1861
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Nova Scotia [Halifax, Pictou]: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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Re: Cannot find any record of my Grandfather
« Reply #19 on: Monday 26 June 17 20:26 BST (UK) »

Hi,

Just in case Maggie was telling the truth about the father's name ,I have found this James Wright THOMAS,


Birth
James Wright THOMAS    Jun Q 1889    Salford    8d  46
mmn: WRIGHT


Baptism
St Ambrose Church, Pendleton, Lancaster
Born:  11 May 1889
Baptism:  26 May 1889
James Wright
Son of Robert & Emma THOMAS
22 Mayor St
Labourer


Parent's marriage
Robert Henry THOMAS    Mar Q 1889    Barton upon Irwell    8c  729
Emma WRIGHT

 
Eccles, St Mary, Lancashire
1 Jan 1889
Robert Henry THOMAS
Age:  20
Bachelor
Labourer
Residence:  Seedley
Father:  William THOMAS,  Labourer

Emma WRIGHT
Age:  21
Spinster
Residence:  Seedley
Father:  James WRIGHT,  Shoe maker




1891  RG12/3204  f.118  p.15  Pendleton, Lancashire
22 Mayor Street

James WRIGHT    Head    W    54    Shoe maker B                   Lancashire Eccles 
Martha      "             Daur    S    17    Factory Hand                           "           "
Emma THOMAS     Daur    M    24                                               Bucks Winslow
Robert     "     Son-in-law    M    22    Labourer in Iron Foundry    Lancashire Salford
James W    "    Grandson            2                                                       "           "
Harry SHUKER       Boarder    S    20    Filer in Iron Foundry              "            "
Isabelle JEPSON    Boarder   W    42    General Servant             Cumberland Carlisle
Catherine HIND        Visitor    W    62    Living on own means            "            "




I can't see him after this but I will keep looking.


Regards,
Daisy
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Re: Cannot find any record of my Grandfather
« Reply #20 on: Tuesday 27 June 17 09:37 BST (UK) »
THOMAS, Hilda  May      - 
GRO Reference: 1901  D Quarter
In KINGS NORTON
Volume 06C  Page 438
MMN --

Interesting that if this is the sister of your father as mentioned above, this time mother, Maggie Elizabeth was not making any efforts to invent legitimacy by adding extra names to the registration details.

Sue
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Re: Cannot find any record of my Grandfather
« Reply #21 on: Tuesday 27 June 17 10:59 BST (UK) »
I would like to thank you for all your replies most helpful.

I am fairly sure that the 1939 register with James A and Fanny Wright (Trout) of Angelina Street is correct.

However there was a Sarah Wright b1851 who I assume was his mother living there which doesn't tie up with what I thought was his father of Bordesley Park Terrace who was a brass caster his wife was called Jane so again not sure which is the right James Wright!

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Re: Cannot find any record of my Grandfather
« Reply #22 on: Tuesday 27 June 17 11:15 BST (UK) »
In my opinion, you really should order the 1943 marriage certificate as mentioned.
This is an important person for your family line ;D
Sue
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Re: Cannot find any record of my Grandfather
« Reply #23 on: Tuesday 27 June 17 11:17 BST (UK) »
This family show up in 1911 at the home of James' parents Joseph and Sarah in Northfield, Worcestershire. 
So that might confirm Galium's finding above.

THOMAS, Hilda  May      - 
GRO Reference: 1901  D Quarter
In KINGS NORTON
Volume 06C  Page 438
MMS --
On the 1911 census she maybe shows up as a 9 yr old visitor with a Cocks couple.
 
I agree the marriage certificate is the accurate way forward, Sue.
Seeking: baptism Philip Murray 1813 nr Chatham Kent, death Ralph James Dunn b 1808 1861 - 1868 in Newington 1861
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Nova Scotia [Halifax, Pictou]: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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Re: Cannot find any record of my Grandfather
« Reply #24 on: Tuesday 27 June 17 18:19 BST (UK) »
I have now ordered the marriage certificate and will wait till that comes before I do anything else as my subscription has now expired!

Many thanks again for your help much appreciated

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Re: Cannot find any record of my Grandfather
« Reply #25 on: Tuesday 27 June 17 21:14 BST (UK) »
Mrs Cocks of 1911 is Maggie Thomas' sister

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Re: Cannot find any record of my Grandfather
« Reply #26 on: Tuesday 27 June 17 22:18 BST (UK) »
Ah yes, Mabel, thanks.

Look forward, bluegeranium, to the marriage details when you get them  :)
Seeking: baptism Philip Murray 1813 nr Chatham Kent, death Ralph James Dunn b 1808 1861 - 1868 in Newington 1861
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Nova Scotia [Halifax, Pictou]: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON