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Re: How do I find pre-1855 ancestors if they weren't church members?
« Reply #9 on: Monday 26 June 17 19:25 BST (UK) »
That's them!  Thank you so much. 

Lesson learned: always do fuzzy match name search.  McAlpine was the one name I didn't use the fuzzy name function on.  I won't make that mistake again.

I assumed something happened to the parents, because I found Mary aged 22 living in a boarding house in Arbroath in 1861 with a 16 year old named Helen McAlpine who I assume was her sister.

Thanks again Jim and Maureen for your help.
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Re: How do I find pre-1855 ancestors if they weren't church members?
« Reply #10 on: Monday 26 June 17 19:27 BST (UK) »
Good find Maureen
There's also Helen b. 1844 lodging with Mary.
So if we can find marriages for any of the other children that should confirm the parents names.
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Re: How do I find pre-1855 ancestors if they weren't church members?
« Reply #11 on: Monday 26 June 17 19:30 BST (UK) »
Welcome to Rootdchat from me too.

The only place you will find a birth entry for Mary is at Scotlands People. As you and others have already searched but found nothing it can be assumed that it has not survived, unfortunately.

Prior to official registration becoming compulsory in 1855 in Scotland births/marriages/deaths were recorded in Parish Records.(OPR). Not all of these have survived if the birth was recorded in the first place.

Check out what it says about this on Scotlands People Site.

Dorrie

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Re: How do I find pre-1855 ancestors if they weren't church members?
« Reply #12 on: Monday 26 June 17 19:59 BST (UK) »
I followed a brother of Mary Mcalpine i.e. William bc.1830.

He married an Elizabeth Baxter and subsequently died in Arbroath on 7/10/1892 - his parents are shown as James McAlpine and Jane Curwell (or Carwill) so looks like the 'Ker Wall' you have from Mary's death certificate is some corruption of that.

Having said that, I cannot find a marriage for her parents.

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Re: How do I find pre-1855 ancestors if they weren't church members?
« Reply #13 on: Monday 26 June 17 21:53 BST (UK) »
Possibly members of the Free Church of Scotland (the church with all the people!)  ;D

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Re: How do I find pre-1855 ancestors if they weren't church members?
« Reply #14 on: Monday 26 June 17 22:28 BST (UK) »
Skoosh - The Free Church of Scotland was not founded until 1843.

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Patrick, Scotland
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Re: How do I find pre-1855 ancestors if they weren't church members?
« Reply #15 on: Monday 26 June 17 22:56 BST (UK) »
Ah ken that Dorrie, so were they members in the places mentioned pre 1855 & also would probably still have  used the parish kirkyard for burials!  Some parishes almost the entire population joined the Free Kirk & left the parish kirk to the laird & his hangers-on!

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Re: How do I find pre-1855 ancestors if they weren't church members?
« Reply #16 on: Monday 26 June 17 23:11 BST (UK) »
Much thanks to all, this board is possibly the greatest discovery to date in all my searches!

I found the record of William McAlpine's  death that you mentioned, Annette, it looks to me like mother is Jane Carwill.  I'll keep searching to see if I get anything else.  I see she was Irish, it makes me wonder with the spelling of McAlpine if James' family came from there at some point, too.

Would it have been usual for a Scot to marry an Irish lady?
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Re: How do I find pre-1855 ancestors if they weren't church members?
« Reply #17 on: Monday 26 June 17 23:28 BST (UK) »
The answer to Scots marrying Irish is a yes. More common than you would think. Many Irish people came over to Scotland and settled here especially on the West Coast and in the Dundee area where most of them worked in the Jute Mills.

My Gt.Gt. Grandfather married an Irish girl in Dundee in 1851. I have managed to get their marriage entry on  Scotlands People Old Parish Registers. Although he was Scottish born around 1833 (worked out from census records and his death certificate) I have not been able to get a birth record for him.

Dorrie

P.S. I also have Irish marrying Irish too in Scotland.
Small, Dundee
Dickson, Dundee
Patrick, Scotland
Easson, Scotland
Small, Co. Antrim
Madden, Co. Westmeath
Dickson, Co. Down