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Return Home to England circa 1909
« on: Tuesday 27 June 17 00:51 BST (UK) »
Thomas Challinor, b circa 1891, left New Zealand to return to Llangollen, Wales in 1909-11.

He had emigrated to New Zealand in 1908 with his father, also Thomas, and his younger brother Arthur. I cannot seem to find him in ship passenger lists. Any suggestions? I have an Ancestry membership.

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Re: Return Home to England circa 1909
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 27 June 17 02:40 BST (UK) »
Looks as if his father died in New Zealand.........

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH19450518.2.7?query=thomas%20challinor


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HAMMOND, Cainham/Caynham, Shropshire, U.K. Otago-NZ.
GALBRAITH, Ireland, Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Kensington-London, U.K.
GRANT, Sct., Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Vancouver, Canada.
GLASS, Aberdeenshire, Otago-NZ.
CAIRNEY/CARNEY/KEARNEY/Ireland, Airdrie, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
O'BRIEN Mary Ann, Limerick, Otago-NZ.
NICOL(L) James, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
SCOTT Thomas, Shetland, Otago-NZ.
MCHARDY/MCHARDIE Euphemia, Scotland, Otago-NZ.

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Re: Return Home to England circa 1909
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 27 June 17 02:53 BST (UK) »
As did Arthur?.......

1949/29421   Challinor   Arthur   55Y


As he is not mentioned in the 1945 death notice, did he predecease his father?


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HAMMOND, Cainham/Caynham, Shropshire, U.K. Otago-NZ.
GALBRAITH, Ireland, Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Kensington-London, U.K.
GRANT, Sct., Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Vancouver, Canada.
GLASS, Aberdeenshire, Otago-NZ.
CAIRNEY/CARNEY/KEARNEY/Ireland, Airdrie, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
O'BRIEN Mary Ann, Limerick, Otago-NZ.
NICOL(L) James, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
SCOTT Thomas, Shetland, Otago-NZ.
MCHARDY/MCHARDIE Euphemia, Scotland, Otago-NZ.

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Re: Return Home to England circa 1909
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 27 June 17 02:54 BST (UK) »
There is a probate for his father here:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS7W-X9RS?i=274&cc=1865481&cat=2240878

And at the New Zealand national archives site, there are military records for Arthur, and his father Thomas.
Farrell  - Ayrshire
Cairns - Ayrshire
McCann - Ayrshire
Brown - Ayrshire
Petty - Yorkshire, Durham
Lucas - Staffordshire, Durham
Whitaker - Yorkshire
Thackrah - Yorkshire
Stephenson - Durham
Marshall - Yorkshire
Walker - Staffordshire, Southland New Zealand
McCullough -  Antrim, Southland New Zealand,
Cavanagh - Galway, Southland New Zealand
Anthony - Tipperary, Southland New Zealand
Bath - Cornwall, Tasmania, Southland
Brungot - Alesund, Norway; Southland
Bonthron - Fifeshire, Southland

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Re: Return Home to England circa 1909
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 27 June 17 02:57 BST (UK) »
A 'T. CHALLINOR and two boys' arrived at Auckland per the Surrey from Liverpool on 18 October 1908.
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS19081019.2.25?query=t.%20Challinor

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Re: Return Home to England circa 1909
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 27 June 17 03:03 BST (UK) »
Have you seen Thomas CHALLINOR's military record, on Ancestry? He attested at Liverpool on August 4th 1909.
Farrell  - Ayrshire
Cairns - Ayrshire
McCann - Ayrshire
Brown - Ayrshire
Petty - Yorkshire, Durham
Lucas - Staffordshire, Durham
Whitaker - Yorkshire
Thackrah - Yorkshire
Stephenson - Durham
Marshall - Yorkshire
Walker - Staffordshire, Southland New Zealand
McCullough -  Antrim, Southland New Zealand,
Cavanagh - Galway, Southland New Zealand
Anthony - Tipperary, Southland New Zealand
Bath - Cornwall, Tasmania, Southland
Brungot - Alesund, Norway; Southland
Bonthron - Fifeshire, Southland

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Re: Return Home to England circa 1909
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 27 June 17 03:15 BST (UK) »
Thomas Challinor, b circa 1891, left New Zealand to return to Llangollen, Wales in 1909-11.

He had emigrated to New Zealand in 1908 with his father, also Thomas, and his younger brother Arthur. I cannot seem to find him in ship passenger lists. Any suggestions? I have an Ancestry membership.

Hello

This looks to be the Thomas you seek ?

Thomas CHALLINOR - 34 years [bc 1892] - occupation:  Fitter

Future Address in England :    41 Trenton Road, Coventry

Last permanent address  - Australia
Future Country of Residence - England

per ship "ORMONDE" from Brisbane, Australia
Arrived UK (London ?)  on 13 May 1926

[Source :  ancestry.com ]

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Re: Return Home to England circa 1909
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 27 June 17 03:37 BST (UK) »
There is a tree on Ancestry, which looks well researched, with Thomas's details.

https://www.ancestry.com.au/family-tree/person/tree/62842010/person/30216122000/facts

Unfortunately, on further checking, this tree has different people on the 1901 and 1911 censuses. The 1911 record is a different family.
Farrell  - Ayrshire
Cairns - Ayrshire
McCann - Ayrshire
Brown - Ayrshire
Petty - Yorkshire, Durham
Lucas - Staffordshire, Durham
Whitaker - Yorkshire
Thackrah - Yorkshire
Stephenson - Durham
Marshall - Yorkshire
Walker - Staffordshire, Southland New Zealand
McCullough -  Antrim, Southland New Zealand,
Cavanagh - Galway, Southland New Zealand
Anthony - Tipperary, Southland New Zealand
Bath - Cornwall, Tasmania, Southland
Brungot - Alesund, Norway; Southland
Bonthron - Fifeshire, Southland

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Re: Return Home to England circa 1909
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 27 June 17 04:02 BST (UK) »
Is it possible that Thomas worked his passage to England? He wouldn't then appear on passenger forms.
Farrell  - Ayrshire
Cairns - Ayrshire
McCann - Ayrshire
Brown - Ayrshire
Petty - Yorkshire, Durham
Lucas - Staffordshire, Durham
Whitaker - Yorkshire
Thackrah - Yorkshire
Stephenson - Durham
Marshall - Yorkshire
Walker - Staffordshire, Southland New Zealand
McCullough -  Antrim, Southland New Zealand,
Cavanagh - Galway, Southland New Zealand
Anthony - Tipperary, Southland New Zealand
Bath - Cornwall, Tasmania, Southland
Brungot - Alesund, Norway; Southland
Bonthron - Fifeshire, Southland