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Re: James McKenzie, Dundee
« Reply #72 on: Wednesday 19 July 17 22:46 BST (UK) »
I think this could be Thomas in 1901?

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003805202/

Just bringing this forward as a 'discard'

Even if he had changed religion (which can/does happen) this one doesn't fit as his birth year would be c1852 & we're looking for a 20 December 1859 birth.

Birth info. not known at time of posting original which was from the name of a sponsor on James' son James Jnr's bap.

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Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

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Re: James McKenzie, Dundee
« Reply #73 on: Thursday 20 July 17 09:04 BST (UK) »
Annie
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I forgot to mention that my thinking when enquiring as to 'signing up in Edinburgh' was that it may have been a 'tradition' for older generations & carried down if indeed the ancestors hailed from the north which the surname had always suggested.
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Yes I understood that was the thinking, I just didn't answer it very adequately in my "although family ties sometimes came into play" in my reply.

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Re: James McKenzie, Dundee
« Reply #74 on: Thursday 20 July 17 18:35 BST (UK) »
I have spent most of the day searching for a James McKenzie born Edinburgh or Midlothian with a mother Margaret with both a John or Thomas as a father (things already searched prior to the yr of birth being nearer 1855) & I'm at a loss as I can't find anything to be a match for a birth year of 1852 - 1857  ::)

Even if he was illegitimate the only one I could find was 1856 with mother Jane McKenzie without using SP but he could have been born under any surname & using his father's surname which was not uncommon for illegitimate children (I have a few myself).

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQ54-9Q8

From Isobel's ref. Reply #63 from MonicaL on the other link James' parents were both deceased by 1878

I checked the deaths on SP & Elizabeth died 1872, looks like John did too?

I read over the other link again for any clues from the wealth of info. they've provided...

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=574156.msg4264373#msg4264373

Plenty of scenarios to consider as I have done & pretty much exhausted every avenue almost.

I am currently looking at other possibilities & haven't had time to look at Irish census' & not sure if anyone else has for the Sponsor Thomas?

EDIT to add...

Forgot to say, I'm wondering if James was born under a different surname whether illegitimate or legitimate & if mother married/remarried was John/Thomas the name of a stepfather as I'm still baffled with those 2 forenames & too many scenarios  ::)

Edit..Is it possible James said 'Tom' the 1st time but mistaken as 'John'  :-\

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South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

"OLD GENEALOGISTS NEVER DIE - THEY JUST LOSE THEIR CENSUS"

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Re: James McKenzie, Dundee
« Reply #75 on: Thursday 20 July 17 20:45 BST (UK) »
Searched for a James (no surname) 1854 - 1856 Edinburgh (Midlothian)

A few worth considering for the moment. There's others born Leith, Stow, West Calder etc. but have stuck to Edinburgh births with no middle name..

Illegitimate all with a mother Margaret (not looked for later marriages or whether on later census' but keeps it all in 1 place) ..

James Adams 11 June 1855 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQ5W-4GS

James Stewart 07 Oct 1855 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQ5W-HFM

James Moffat 30 Dec 1855 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQ5W-KR9

James Hutchison 25 Jun 1856 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQ5W-JS3

James Camery 10 Aug 1856 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQ5W-CQ9

James Cowie 15 Jul 1856 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQ5W-924

James Slight 19 Dec 1856 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQ5W-JMG

I found a few James' with a Military connection which is a bit of a long shot but have sent MaxD a PM with details & hoping for a look-up if only to eliminate them as it's the last chance saloon  ::)

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South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

"OLD GENEALOGISTS NEVER DIE - THEY JUST LOSE THEIR CENSUS"


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Re: James McKenzie, Dundee
« Reply #76 on: Saturday 22 July 17 14:45 BST (UK) »
Whil there is a lull in the proceedings, or perhaps an end, I want to express my heartfelt thanks to everyone involved in this search.  If I could I would buy each of you a libation of your choice.  The work done here is unbelivable. It will take me quite a While to go through it all.
Many, many thanks to you all, I am just sorry my mum is not around to see it.

Gerry.   ;)
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Duff, Coolure, Mayne, Co. Westmeath
Clancy, Kane, Endrim & Kilpatrick, Kings County
McKenzie, Dublin and Dundee.

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Re: James McKenzie, Dundee
« Reply #77 on: Monday 23 May 22 18:00 BST (UK) »
Hi Gerry (benchurian) and all who so diligently gave their time to this thread of last year (2021?). I have just by chance discovered it today and I can honestly say my reaction was WOW!!

I've been trying to trace details relating to James McKenzie for at least the last 15 years. James is my great great grandfather (paternal). Not surprisingly, I never knew him but I do have memories of meeting his son, also James,b.1889 d.1965. He used to visit my parents in Dublin during the 1960s. I was born in 1957. He was my great great uncle. Although he was born and died in Dublin, I recall a distinct Scottish accent and I seem to remember being told that he had worked in Scotland. His sister, Margaret, contrary to some of the comments on this thread, did not die as a child, but became my grandmother b.1885 d.1952 (her sister of the same name died 1883).

In short, I know a lot about the family of James McKenzie and Catherine Dorman, but I still have not been able to crack the mystery of the two differently named marriage certs (re his father John or Thomas) and the various speculations - because that's what they are - concerning how that came about.

I would be greatly interested to hear if you have managed to progress beyond the info you were able to gather as of July 2021.

Desmond

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Re: James McKenzie, Dundee
« Reply #78 on: Monday 25 July 22 11:56 BST (UK) »
Hello,

I don't know if this relevant to your search, but my ggg-grandfather, James McKenzie (1719 -1847) served for 17 years in the Royal Scots Fusiliers. The man you are searching for is not among his direct descendants. However, ggg-grandfather had several brothers, none of whom I have investigated. They came from a place named Ballindarg, near Kirriemuir, as follows:

Thomas (1777); David (1782); Frederick (1784); Alexander (1789).

Your man might be descended from one of them, as ggg-grandfather lived in Dundee, after leaving the Army in 1817.

Regards,

Gordon