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George Fox and his wife Elizabeth - where are they in 1841
« on: Thursday 29 June 17 14:32 BST (UK) »
Dear all

After a lot of help a couple of weeks ago I still have 1 big question. I am searching for George and Elizabeth Fox in 1841, where were they?

I know.....
1) George Fox was born in 1796 in Wootton Glanville
2) Elizabeth Fenton( born 1818 in Salisbury, Wiltshire) married George Fox in 1838 in Minterne Magna) I don't believe their first child was born before 1841 (Hamilton Fox; November 1841; Middlemarsh); George's father was Jacob Fox
3) George Fox was a Basket Maker
4) George Fox died Sept 1850 in Minterne Magna; the Informant was Jacob Fox, perhaps George's brother Jacob and son of Jacob

The million dollar question is, "where were George and Elizabeth Fox in 1841". I have tried and failed to find them).

Any help would be so much appreciated

Keith

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Re: George Fox and his wife Elizabeth - where are they in 1841
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 29 June 17 18:22 BST (UK) »
There is a birth April/May/June 1838 in Stourbeidge Rg District of an unnamed male child, Fox, with mums maiden name Fenton.
COuld that be an earlier child of this marriage?
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Re: George Fox and his wife Elizabeth - where are they in 1841
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 29 June 17 21:12 BST (UK) »
The marriage was not until the December qtr 1838 Dorchester whereas Stourbridge is in Worcestershire.

The nearest Fox/ Fenton marriage to that rough locality is 1823 Edgbaston - Thomas Fox to Harriott Fenton
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Re: George Fox and his wife Elizabeth - where are they in 1841
« Reply #3 on: Friday 30 June 17 03:51 BST (UK) »
Could they have been living separately?  I know some of the details don't quite match but its the right general area, the ages are about right, and the addresses are within easy walking distance of each other:

Garden House/Sherborne Castle, Sherborne - George Fox 45 Agricultural Labourer - born in county
Newland Street, Sherborne - Eliza Fox 25 Female Servant – not born in County

or
Acreman Street, Sherborne - Elizabeth Fox 19 Female Servant - born in County

ADDED: An Ann Fenton aged 15 is also in Sherborne in 1841 - possible sister of Elizabeth?
GIBSON: Leicestershire, Durham. MORGAN: Glamorgan, Durham, Ohio. DAVIS/DAVIES/DAVID: Glamorgan, Ohio.  JACKSON: East Yorks, North Yorks, Durham. TAYLOR: North Yorks. BOURDAS: North Yorks. JEFFREYS: Worcestershire & Northumberland. CHEESMOND: Durham/Northumberland. WINTER: Durham/Northumberland. SNOWBALL: Durham.

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Re: George Fox and his wife Elizabeth - where are they in 1841
« Reply #4 on: Friday 30 June 17 11:30 BST (UK) »
Could they have been living separately?  I know some of the details don't quite match but its the right general area, the ages are about right, and the addresses are within easy walking distance of each other:

Garden House/Sherborne Castle, Sherborne - George Fox 45 Agricultural Labourer - born in county
Newland Street, Sherborne - Eliza Fox 25 Female Servant – not born in County

or
Acreman Street, Sherborne - Elizabeth Fox 19 Female Servant - born in County

ADDED: An Ann Fenton aged 15 is also in Sherborne in 1841 - possible sister of Elizabeth?

Elizabeth was not bic, so more likely the Newland street one

previous post on this family
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=772955.0
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Scott, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott
Essex/Herts: Livermore, Holgate, Law, Day, Myson, Boyton
Norfolk/Suffolk: Stone, Alexander, Tipple, Ingate

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Re: George Fox and his wife Elizabeth - where are they in 1841
« Reply #5 on: Friday 30 June 17 11:39 BST (UK) »
Elizabeth bapt Salisbury d/o Samuel and Elizabeth, There are two other children bapt to Samuel and Elizabeth Fenton in Dorchester Emma (1824) and Ann (1826)
Samuel was a coachman on Elizabeth's baptism, servant on Ann's, not mentioned on Emma's. This was non-conformist baptism and gives mother's maiden name as Bennett. May not all be the same Samuel / Elizabeth couple.
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Scott, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott
Essex/Herts: Livermore, Holgate, Law, Day, Myson, Boyton
Norfolk/Suffolk: Stone, Alexander, Tipple, Ingate

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Re: George Fox and his wife Elizabeth - where are they in 1841
« Reply #6 on: Friday 30 June 17 13:16 BST (UK) »
Ann Fenton was witness at Emma's marriage to John Thrush in 1843, and Emma was witness when Elizabeth married George Fox, so it does look like the same family group.   
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Re: George Fox and his wife Elizabeth - where are they in 1841
« Reply #7 on: Friday 30 June 17 13:23 BST (UK) »
Dear all,
Thank you for your posts to date.

Liz- when I look in BMD for births in 1828, I don’t see the mothers Maiden Name. Would you mind advising me on where you found the name Fenton please. I am thinking this unnamed male Fox child in 1838, mother Fenton, may very well be a first child for George Fox and Elizabeth Fenton, born out of wedlock?

Regarding the Fenton’s I do believe we have confirmed the family group:

As well as Elizabeth, Samuel and Elizabeth Fox had a number of other children.
1   Mary Ann Fenton*   1814, Blandford Forum, Dorset
2   Elizabeth Fenton      4th April 1818, Salisbury, Wiltshire
3   Emma Fenton**      1st March 1824, Fordington, Dorset
4   Ann Fenton***      5th October 1826, Fordington, Dorset
5   Herbert Fenton****   15th January 1834, Dorchester, Dorset

Regarding the 1841 Census entry for Ann Fenton, aged 15, I think this def is Elizabeth’s sister who had been born in 1826 in Fordington.

Whether the 2 separate entries in the 1841 Census for:
Garden House/Sherborne Castle, Sherborne - George Fox 45 Agricultural Labourer - born in county
Newland Street, Sherborne - Eliza Fox 25 Female Servant – not born in County

..are George Fox and Elizabeth living separately, who know. For the George Fox entry, I just wish the occupation stated had been Basket Maker as opposed to Ag Labourer. Just wish I had found them together!

Thanks again, Keith

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Re: George Fox and his wife Elizabeth - where are they in 1841
« Reply #8 on: Friday 30 June 17 13:37 BST (UK) »
The mother's maiden name was only given for the non-conformist baptism - Emma in 1824. I was not 100% certain it was the same family as 1 NC baptism in the middle of C of E one was a bit odd. But it looks like it is now confirmed it is.

Also came across a marriage of a Mary Ann Fenton in London father Samuel Fenton innkeeper, but put it down as a coincidence because of location, but it could also be same family, I'll try and find it again
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Scott, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott
Essex/Herts: Livermore, Holgate, Law, Day, Myson, Boyton
Norfolk/Suffolk: Stone, Alexander, Tipple, Ingate