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james howe
« on: Thursday 29 June 17 14:47 BST (UK) »
hi

looking for iformation on my great great grandfather whos early life is a mystery.

the first i know of him is when he married eliza knight in derby in 1872. that gives his age as 26, and his father as william. the 2 census returns hes on before his early death suggest he came from kent. he was also a gas fitter/hot water fitter...

has anybody got any idea where he was in 1871? or where he was christened? i cannot find him or his father william on any earlier census and id have thought to be a gas/hot water plumber he must have had training - but where?

cheers... rob.
Derbys - Hill, Atkins, Kirkland, Hutchinson, Hallam, Rose, Houseley, Astle.
Lancashire - Shaw, Greenwood, Fowler, Yates
Gloucester - Nethercott, Flight,
Suffolk - Easey, Stannard, Meadows, Mann, Turner, Juby
Warwicks - Atkins, Sumner, Mower, Howe.
Staffs - Finney, Kent, Corden, Chatterton

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Re: james howe
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 29 June 17 15:06 BST (UK) »
1881 & 1891 gives his place of birth as Hythe, Kent (age 34 in 1881 - 45 in 1891)
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Re: james howe
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 29 June 17 15:12 BST (UK) »
What was his fathers occupation
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Re: james howe
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 29 June 17 16:29 BST (UK) »
On your thread in November 2015 you had James in Derby in 1871
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Re: james howe
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 29 June 17 16:37 BST (UK) »
On your thread in November 2015 you had James in Derby in 1871
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Re: james howe
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 29 June 17 16:40 BST (UK) »
On your thread in November 2015 you had James in Derby in 1871
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The post was amended (reply #3) to say James Howe was in Derby in 1881, the 1871 was not found.

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Re: james howe
« Reply #6 on: Friday 30 June 17 11:56 BST (UK) »
thank yous..

yes the 1871 was an error, i only have him on 2 census before he died young. i know it says 'hythe' but there absolutely no trace on him in hythe or kent.

his father - william supposed to have been a farmer, thats what his marriage certificate says, but i have no idea where and ive not found a farmer william in derbys or kent.

he married in derby in 1872, just after a census, but for some reason he is simply invisible before his marriage.

theres a family rumour that only his wife eliza knew who he really was and they both took that secret to the grave.

tbh  im thinking 'james howe' wasnt his real name. even his fathers name could be made up.
Derbys - Hill, Atkins, Kirkland, Hutchinson, Hallam, Rose, Houseley, Astle.
Lancashire - Shaw, Greenwood, Fowler, Yates
Gloucester - Nethercott, Flight,
Suffolk - Easey, Stannard, Meadows, Mann, Turner, Juby
Warwicks - Atkins, Sumner, Mower, Howe.
Staffs - Finney, Kent, Corden, Chatterton

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Re: james howe
« Reply #7 on: Friday 30 June 17 12:30 BST (UK) »
Hi Robert

Just adding this suggestion. On the 1871 census there is a 24 year old Eliza Knight working as a Domestic Servant in a hh on North Parade , Derby.

Is she possibly the one that James Howe married, if so, have you tried using the census pages to "look around" that area to see if any Gas fitters/Plumbers show up.

He might have been a lodger in the same area as Eliza. They had to meet somewhere, and as a Dom Servant her life outdoors would be limited.

 I suppose he could also have done work in the hh where Eliza was employed.
I am not familiar enough with Derby to say what kind of houses were on North Parade, but I'm sure there are members who will know

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Re: james howe
« Reply #8 on: Friday 30 June 17 15:26 BST (UK) »
hi... yes i believe that to be 'my' eliza... thats a good idea about searching neighbouring properties but id have thought he would be using james howe .

im thinking he deliberately ignored the census, but i might be being swayed by the family story. mind you, on my fathers side there was a story and i eventually proved that was correct. ~

i guess im hoping someone has access to a snippet of info i havnt which might shed light on this shady character, of coure if he did change his name after coming to derby, theres no possibility of discovering exactly who he is.

i wonder if anyones got access to the local paper for kent c1864-1872, there might be a mystery murder or something in there or maybe an army deserter. but of course the kent connection might be a lie too..
Derbys - Hill, Atkins, Kirkland, Hutchinson, Hallam, Rose, Houseley, Astle.
Lancashire - Shaw, Greenwood, Fowler, Yates
Gloucester - Nethercott, Flight,
Suffolk - Easey, Stannard, Meadows, Mann, Turner, Juby
Warwicks - Atkins, Sumner, Mower, Howe.
Staffs - Finney, Kent, Corden, Chatterton