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Re: Lowther in Westmoreland
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 05 July 17 06:45 BST (UK) »
Further to whiteouts post
Kendal Mercury 28 August 1869 - Robert Lowther, Earthenware dealer died at Hannakin nr Hawkshead on 17th inst. age 61

Death Sep qtr 1869 
Lowther    Robert    age 61   
Ulverstone   reg dist 8e   443
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Re: Lowther in Westmoreland
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 05 July 17 09:25 BST (UK) »
Interesting so the Hanniston near Hawkshead Robert Lowther would have been born in 1808, which if he was married to Rebecca in 1828 would have made him about 20 years old.
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Re: Lowther in Westmoreland
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 05 July 17 09:39 BST (UK) »
Thank you all for. Your help I'm trying to flesh out all info. Rosie99.it might be the Robert Lowther I am looking for. Will.try to find.more. whiteout7 as to the marriage of Rebecca Lowther 1837. Dont think its related. Because Robert Lowther was a witness at his daughter Mary's wedding. St  Mary's church bury 1852. And divorce was very rare. Unless its bigamy.? I can tell you  that mary Lowther. B. 1833. Wife to Peter Mitchell. B. 1831. Is wed under aher husbands assumed surname. He Was in fact a dale. I have his baptism cert. His father was William dale. Olso. His legal uncle in law. ? So maybe.it was Rebecca Lowther. Robert Lowthers wife. Wed in 1837'. It gets deeper..I will chase the newspaper link. Its odd I can't find him in censuses ?. Anyway. thank you all for your help. If you come across anything I would love to hear it. Regards rob
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Re: Lowther in Westmoreland
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 05 July 17 09:55 BST (UK) »
Hi. Again..whiteout7.. it fits info I have on Robert Lowther. And right areas. Just fitting it together. The census returns so be such a help. Travellers do miss censuses. But three? Anyway thanks. Again rosie99..
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Re: Lowther in Westmoreland
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 05 July 17 10:19 BST (UK) »
Dont think its related. Because Robert Lowther was a witness at his daughter Mary's wedding. St  Mary's church bury 1852. And divorce was very rare. Unless its bigamy.?
 I can tell you  that mary Lowther. B. 1833. Wife to Peter Mitchell. B. 1831. Is wed under aher husbands assumed surname. He Was in fact a dale.

Just clarifying, it was Peter Mitchell (Dale) who married under the assumed name of Mitchell, Mary married as Louther

The marriage is on lancsopc Robert is not mentioned as a witness

 4 Feb 1852 St Mary the Virgin, Bury, Lancashire, England
Peter Mitchell occ Earthenware Dealer, Bachelor, abode Bury
Mary Souther (sic) Spinster, Bolton Le Moors  GRO index has Louther
Groom's Father William Dale, Earthenware Dealer
Bride's Father Robert Souther, (sic) Earthenware Dealer
Witness: Catharine Mitchell; Ra. Crompton
Married by Licence by: Henry Ainslie Curate
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Re: Lowther in Westmoreland
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 05 July 17 10:52 BST (UK) »
This is a strange one living Skerton, Lancaster in 1871 ::)
RG10/4230 f32 p26

Rebeca   Varey   60   born   Barwick... ?? occ Hawker
John   Lawther   Son-In-Law 22   bn Ulverstone occ General Dealer
Margaret   Lawther   Daughter   22   bn Althaw ? Moor
Robert   Lawther   Son-In-Law's brother   11   bn Ulverstone
.......

Rebecca/William Veary living Gt Bolton in 1851
William   Varey   33   Hawker Carpets   bn Not known
Rebeccah   Varey   35   bn Not Known
Rebeccah   12 bn St Helens, Lancashire
Grace   8 bn Gt Bolton
Margaret 2   bn Halshaw Moor
HO107/2211 f24 p40

ADDED probable death
Deaths Mar 1880 
VAREY    Rebecca    68    Lancaster    8e   484
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Re: Lowther in Westmoreland
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 05 July 17 10:57 BST (UK) »
Yes that's my Peter Mitchell / Dale. I olso have William dales will. It states that Peter Mitchell.b.1831 and Peter's sister Catharine. B.1833. Are his children. And he leaves everything to them. He was wed to. Catharine Rothwell. Sister to my 5 times grandmother. Phobe Rothwell. They were in-laws. Catharine died. Phobe moved in. But couldn't marry. As phobe was still wed to Jesse Mitchell. He died 1847. Phobe then wed William dale.1848. It was illegal.  classified as incest. Brother in law. Sister in law.in 1841 census Bolton. She's down as mrs dale.  Along with Peter and Catharine. They were dale in 1851 census.. only became Mitchell on his wedding.. complicated. So anything could happen? I find this interesting. Was Robert Lowther in prison.? ..Just saw your post Rosie it gets ever more mysterious. Heads in a spin.lol
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Re: Lowther in Westmoreland
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 05 July 17 11:00 BST (UK) »
Just noting that you already have a post on the Dale family in case we are tempted to look at that line  ;D
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=760306.msg6112115#msg6112115
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Re: Lowther in Westmoreland
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 05 July 17 11:21 BST (UK) »
Hi. To be honest I have been tracing my Mitchell line. For years.  In fact to 1700s Staffordshire.it seems I wasted those years. I have the.right family till Peter Mitchell. 1831 who after years of searches I found to be.a dale. Tried to find more about the dales but stone wall at John dale.1800s. He was Peter Mitchell/Dales grandfather. So thought I'd try researching Robert Lowther my 5 times grandfather. He Was a bit of a mystery.  now with the help I have had its getting more so. But fascinating. And really do appreciate it.
romany history, mitchell family history. Earthenware. general . And horse. I dealers/hawkers. market trading.  lancashire. cumbria. staffordshire.scotland. paternal, side. wilson. lee. burton. miller .burnside. Smith. varey. howard. Jones. Lowther. Evens. Ward. Dale.maternal, side. miller cumbria, stewert. mitchell. allan. Ireland. donaghue, Kelly. Murphy. Young. Plus many others. .