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Need help finding Emily Crewe in 1871 census
« on: Friday 30 June 17 06:58 BST (UK) »
My gr.grandmother Emily Crewe arrived in Townsville Queensland Aust. on the Scottish Prince aged 18 years.  The only other information I have is her marriage certificate dated 30/6/1883
where she states her age to be 22 years, parents James Crewe, solicitor and Fannie Hoskins.
Place of birth London, Middlesex. (extracts attached).  I believe her parents may have been
James Crewe, plasterer born 1829 Tetbury, Glouc. and Elizabeth Ann Hodges born 1832 Middlesex. Their marriage was 1850 St. Anne Soho.  The 1861 census for Lambeth Surrey records this couple with 3 children James, Elizabeth and John.   Elizabeth Crewe died in 1866.  James Crewe remarried in 1870 to Fanny Burbridge.  The 1871 census for Battersea Surrey records James Crewe and Fanny aged 23 years with Edwin 6 months. Also recorded are the children from James' previous marriage James 20, Eliz. 16, John 10 and also EMMA E 8 years.

My question is - does anyone think that Emma E could be my gr.grandmother Emily because
Emma E was how the enumerator heard the name Emily?   Emily would have been only 3 or 4 years when her mother died so probably only remembers Fanny (Burbridge) as her mother.  Regarding the occupation of solicitor on the marriage certificate that could also have been
what the Minister heard - the occupation of plasterer would have been unknown in a mining community in Northern Queensland in 1883.

I would like to find a birth registration or baptism for Emily.  I have located baptism records for her supposed siblings James in St Martin in the Field Middlesex, Elizabeth in St. Pancras, Camden (surname Crow) and John in Holy Trinity, Lambeth so no consistent church. All my efforts to find possible parents of James Crewe and Fanny Hoskins have been unsuccessful.

All suggestions appreciated.
Regards, Jen.
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Re: Need help finding Emily Crewe in 1871 census
« Reply #1 on: Friday 30 June 17 08:05 BST (UK) »
Could this be the Emma E you have found

CREW, EMMA  EVANGELINE     mmn HODGES 
1863  March Quarter in LAMBETH  Volume 01D  Page 313

Marriages Sep 1850 
Crewe    James
Hodges    Elizabeth Ann       
Strand    1   432

Elizabeth Ann Crewe died Dec qtr 1866   age 34     Lambeth    1d   241

1881 Emma Evangeline is at RG11/116 f8 p10  - age 19 born Paddington (A servant)

You don't give a date for her arrival in Queensland  :-\
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Re: Need help finding Emily Crewe in 1871 census
« Reply #2 on: Friday 30 June 17 08:29 BST (UK) »
Thankyou Rosie, yes you have found the Emma E Crewe I referred to in 1871 census. So that
does eliminate my Emily Crewe from that family, yet I cannot locate her elsewhere in 1871.

Emily Crewe arrived in Townsville on 16th December 1878 leaving London on 6th September 1878,
so she was not in the UK for 1881 census.

Regards,
Jen.

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Re: Need help finding Emily Crewe in 1871 census
« Reply #3 on: Friday 30 June 17 14:11 BST (UK) »
Posting this just in case  :-\
There are some birth registrations for Crewe mmn Hoskins but no Emily

CREWE, MATILDA  ELIZABETH     mmn HOSKINS     
1856  June Quarter in ST MARY NEWINGTON 
Died March qtr 1862 Camberwell RD

CREWE, LIZZY  ELLEN     mmn HOSKINS     
1858  March Quarter in NEWINGTON
Died March qtr 1862

CREWE, SARAH  ALICE     mmn HOSKINS     
1861  Sept Quarter in SAINT MARY MAGDALEN BERMONDSEY
Died Sept qtr 1864

CREWE, WILLIAM       mmn HOSKINS     
1867  Dec Quarter in CAMBERWELL
Died March qtr 1868
...........
CREWE, FANNY  ELIZA    HOSKINS     
1859  Dec Quarter in NEWINGTON 

CREWE, ADA  MATILDA     mmn HOSKINS     
1863  Sept Quarter in CAMBERWELL 

CREWE, GEORGE       mmn HOSKINS     
1865  Sept Quarter in CAMBERWELL 

CREWE, LOUISE  SARAH  mmn    HOSKINS     
1869  Sept Quarter in SAINT MARY MAGDALEN BERMONDSEY SURREY 

......
Rg9/321 f64 p1

1861
George Crewe   32 occ engine driver bn Bath, Somerset
Matilda Elizth Crewe   32
Matilda Elizth Crewe   4
Lizzy Ellen Crewe   3
Fanny Eliza Crewe   1

Matilda Elizabeth Crewe
Reg Quarter Sep 1869
Age at Death 40
Reg district Bermondsey
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Re: Need help finding Emily Crewe in 1871 census
« Reply #4 on: Friday 30 June 17 15:44 BST (UK) »
Regarding the occupation of solicitor on the marriage certificate that could also have been
what the Minister heard - the occupation of plasterer would have been unknown in a mining community in Northern Queensland in 1883.
Not saying she did but Emily wouldn't have been the first [or the last] person to inflate father's occupation when there was no-one to contest it...
Seeking: baptism Philip Murray 1813 nr Chatham Kent, death Ralph James Dunn b 1808 1861 - 1868 in Newington 1861
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Nova Scotia [Halifax, Pictou]: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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Re: Need help finding Emily Crewe in 1871 census
« Reply #5 on: Friday 30 June 17 22:40 BST (UK) »
Rosie, thankyou for the extensive research you have done on my behalf it is greatly appreciated.  I am now considering the possibility that there was no marriage and Emily may have been baptised/registered in her mother's name.  Perhaps even her mother's name is in doubt.  She may have been in difficult circumstances to have considered emigration alone at such a young age.

Josey, thankyou for your thoughts, I agree this is a possibility although I can't imagine why this would be necessary in a rough mining community.  I have always thought that if her father was a solicitor she would not have been considering emigration let alone being permitted to do it.
However, I have seen letters written by her in perfect script and know that she educated her children well, two of them becoming teachers.

Regards,
Jen.

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Cushen, Isle of Wight
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