Austrian Interests

[Lensmeister]

Hi all,

Below is a list those names/families I am in interested in researching in Austria.

Any help on them would be great:

Maria Thaler: marriage/death post 1893 in Klagenfurt area, Kärnten.
Urban Thaler: death after 1853 in Klagenfurt area, Kärnten.
Theresia Thaler (formerly Kristan): death after 1853  in Klagenfurt area, Kärnten.

Theresia's parents:
Andreas Kirsten (also spelt Khristaunigg) and Agnes (Weißnigg) in Neierdorf Gurnitz, Kärnten.

Urban's parents:
Thomas (from Poggersdorf) and Agnes (Lairouz) Grafenstein Kärnten.

Any information welcomed.

Thanks in advance.

[carinthiangirl]

Kärnten church books most online.
For "Klagenfurt area" you must be more precise. For Klagenfurt directly you need to know the church THERE. Or a district or an old address to find the church you need.
http://data.matricula-online.eu/de/oesterreich/gurk/

Klagenfurt - Churches: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_der_Kirchen_in_Klagenfurt_am_Wörthersee
Klagenfurt districts: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klagenfurt_am_Wörthersee#Stadtgliederung

Gurnitz (includes Niederdorf): https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebenthal_in_Kärnten#Gemeindegliederung
http://data.matricula-online.eu/de/oesterreich/gurk/gurnitz/

Poggersdorf: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poggersdorf#Gemeindegliederung
http://data.matricula-online.eu/de/oesterreich/gurk/poggersdorf/

Grafenstein: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grafenstein_(Kärnten)#Gemeindegliederung
http://data.matricula-online.eu/de/oesterreich/gurk/grafenstein/

[Lensmeister]

Danke carinthiangirl

Now used Matricula and found a few of the family but deciphering the writing and language (My German is pretty bad )

[carinthiangirl]

Thats often a problem for native speakers too. 
Some priests had a bad writing.
Which special entry of churchbook is not so readable for you?
Sent the Link(s). Maybe can better read, depending on priest.

[Lensmeister]

Hi carinthiangirl

It is the lower of the two of these:
http://www.data.matricula.info/php/view.php?ar_id=3670&link=502d3035x15#&path=c76bf76bdd69dfe1eec76bf7d0dddfc5d530fdfc3a323637f13bfcfd3038c76bf7dd3a3f3afd303836fec1d530fdfc3a323637f13bfcfd3038c76bf761c5d736f6c1d330353a38fa6e3630fc3e34c76bf7613b3f3f36fcfe3d3bfc33c76bf7eec5efc5eceee6e4c76bf7e0e6c5e1eceae46bd06dc5ee6beec5efc5eceee6e46be1e1e1e6e3c739f13f

Thomas Thaller and Agnez Lairouz marriage 5th Octoer 1807.
I understand that she was 27 and he was 24 when they married.  In writing in a sort of blue it looks to me that Thomas' baptism was 17 marz 1784 and Agnes was baptised 12 Marz 1779.

Very little of the other info I understand.


Second one I have found that I cannot understand:

Baptism of Theresia Kristan.
born/baptised 09 Nov 1822

http://www.data.matricula.info/php/view.php?ar_id=3670&link=472d3235x14#&posX=0.18265845070422534&posY=0.08230633802816902&zoom=0.6388888888888888&path=c76bf76bdd69dfe1eec76bf7d0dddfc5d530fdfc3a323637f13bfcfd3038c76bf7dd3a3f3afd303836fec1d530fdfc3a323637f13bfcfd3038c76bf7dfc5d736f6c1d330353a38fa6e3630fc3e34c76bf7dff6fc373afdf9c76bf7edc5e0edc5edeeefeec76bf7e0e6c5e1ecefe06bd06dc5ee6bedc5e0edc5edeeefee6be1e1e1e6edc739f13f

I think it can make out that her father was Andreas and mother maybe Agnes Weissrigg ?

Thanks for for you help 

[carinthiangirl]

Oh, no wonder. It´s very old and not easy to read for me too.
Must look later, just no time.
The 2nd is better then the 1st. One of the priests had better writing.
We will see. Be patient.

[Lensmeister]

Thank you for your help.

 

[carinthiangirl]

The better readable 1st.
http://www.data.matricula.info/php/view.php?ar_id=3670&link=502d3035x15#&posX=-0.16549295774647887&posY=-0.019806338028169015&zoom=0.1&path=c76bf76bdd69dfe1eec76bf7d0dddfc5d530fdfc3a323637f13bfcfd3038c76bf7dd3a3f3afd303836fec1d530fdfc3a323637f13bfcfd3038c76bf761c5d736f6c1d330353a38fa6e3630fc3e34c76bf7613b3f3f36fcfe3d3bfc33c76bf7eec5efc5eceee6e4c76bf7e0e6c5e1eceae46bd06dc5ee6beec5efc5eceee6e46be1e1e1e6e3c739f13f

Theresia Kristanigg
Nov 5, 1822 - Niederdorf 17 - was baptisted one day after birth 
Father Andreas Kristanigg, son of Bartholmäus Kristanigg and Luzia nee ....., born in Tainach, Bestandsmann at the ....hube (farm name) in Niederdorf
Mother Agnes Urischnigg?, legitim daughter of Simon Urischnigg and Agnes nee NN ( = no name) from parish St. Margarethen bei Völkermarkt.

Bestandsmann: Tenant or lessee, someone who ran an estate in which he had no property rights, to which the right to use could be terminated from year to year.
Hube: farmland by about 30-45 Joch (1 Joch = 0.57 ha). In the peasant language usage of the Alpine countries still common term (including family names like Huber, Hueber, Huemer derived).
http://www.aeiou.at/aeiou.encyclop.h/h928865.htm

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tainach
https://www.google.at/maps/place/9121+Tainach/@46.63527,14.5366513,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x47700f7512d8670d:0x4dde00952366a65a!8m2!3d46.63527!4d14.53884
http://www.kath-kirche-kaernten.at/pfarren/pfarre/C3232
Churchbook list Tainach: http://www.kath-kirche-kaernten.at/images/OEKE-bilder/PA_Tainach.pdf

St. Margarethen bei Völkermarkt = St.Margarethen ob Töllerberg, now in community Völkermarkt:
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Völkermarkt#Gemeindegliederung https://www.google.at/maps/place/St.+Margarethen+ob+Töllerberg,+9100+Völkermarkt/@46.6740009,14.5726333,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x47701005ed01484b:0x6137402aaeceee69!8m2!3d46.6740009!4d14.574822
http://www.kath-kirche-kaernten.at/pfarren/pfarre/C3268
Churchbook list: http://www.kath-kirche-kaernten.at/images/OEKE-bilder/PA_St_Margarethen_Töllerberg.pdf

What I see, again some Links which you must COPY to your PC so they can work correct.

[carinthiangirl]

The 1st Matricula Link is hard to read, most also for me too.
Easy to read the later note to their birth.

At marriage the groom was 24, born March 17, 1784 Tom. (churchbook) I, ilegitim.
Thomas mother looks to have been a Haffnerin, old female form of lastname Hafner. Her firstname cannot find or read.

The bride Agnes was 27, born March 12, 1779. Cannot make out her last name.
Rest also not readable for me. Such an old bad writing.